Bushmaster ACR Enhanced Vs ATRS MV
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This, right here, is why I train with an AR. I PREFER the ACR, but I'd rather be really proficient with a more common platform. Sorry OP for the thread hijack!
NEA/BCL for the most part seem to be lower quality than Norinco, they should cost $700-$900 like their restricted AR's. Maybe then I could say they are worth considering at all.
If you like AR's buy the ATRS MV-s receiver set if they get the NR stamp. Then you can build it exactly how you want it so it suits your needs exactly.
The Maccabee Defense SLR receiver set is also an option if you want to build a NR AR type rifle.
ACR is a very well made rifle, probably one of the nicer designs out there and good execution with the manufacturing. I'd put it up with a SCAR in terms of it's build. Piston, no bull####, basically a magpul gun made by Remington (Bushmaster). The DMR is worth the extra if you plan to keep the stock and the trigger. Those two items alone are worth the upgrade. The geissele trigger is a must have imo for this kinda DMR build. A light profile barrel isn't much more $$ and will lighten it up a lot (the heavy profile barrel is heavy, but it's similar to any actual AR10 DMR setup than most here think). You'll get good accuracy esp with any sustained fire with the heavy profile DMR barrel if that's your thing. I get under 1MOA running a 1-8 optic on it. Not sure how people had issues with a side charging handle, as it's in a decent location and functions well ergonomically if you don't have optics in the way, which you shouldn't, because it's not really a 'red dot' gun.
the cheesegrater handguard isn't ideal, but there are 2 aftermarket options and 2 factory options. Folded, with the 18.5" barrel, it will also fit into a pelican 1700. With the DMR stock (PRS) it needs to be taken down to fit in a case that size. But with a folding stock, it's much smaller than the MV for transport. The folding stock is probably the best folder on the market, hence why so many people run them on various platorms over the stock folders. From B&T to FN.
Can't say much about the MV, but that's my experience and take on the ACR.
the cheesegrater handguard isn't ideal, but there are 2 aftermarket options and 2 factory options. Folded, with the 18.5" barrel, it will also fit into a pelican 1700. With the DMR stock (PRS) it needs to be taken down to fit in a case that size. But with a folding stock, it's much smaller than the MV for transport. The folding stock is probably the best folder on the market, hence why so many people run them on various platorms over the stock folders. From B&T to FN.
Can't say much about the MV, but that's my experience and take on the ACR.
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Lets try this again.
"the heavy profile barrel is heavy, but it's similar to any actual AR10 DMR setup than most here think"
Nobody said the ACR DMR is going to be lighter than a AR10 from the factory you can go buy. The heavy profile barrel, is similar to heavy profile barrels used in the field. It's (the barrel) heavy, but not unexpected is what is being said.
Oh and one point for the OP: 50 grain isn't going to cut it for a 1:7 twist rifle. 62 is fine.
You seem to be having trouble understanding things, and just adding one liner chirps. Settle down.
I say a the barrel is heavy, but not any heavier than a heavy barrel from an AR10. To which you reply: "The ACR DMR is nothing like an AR10 and its heavier FFS..."
So yes, you think so.
the fact is, while the barrel is heavy, it's not any heavier than a heavy profile barrel for an AR10. IE: you can change the barrel to a lighter one if weight is an issue. Hope you can understand this basic physics lesson.
Nobody thinks the AR10 is the same gun. Nobody thinks a pencil barreled AR10 is the same weight. Don't put words in peoples mouths.
Nothing wrong with 50 grain projectiles in a 7 twist unless you're planning on shooting 300 yards or more. The barrel will shoot it just fine, it's just not a suitable projectile for long range as it doesn't have the inertia or BC needed to maintain velocity and RPM as the distance increases and it will become unstable and accuracy goes to chit.
Just for fun and experimenting a little I've shot all the way down to 36 grain in 7 and 8 twist barrels, they do fine at closer ranges 250-300 yards or less but wander all over if you try to shoot further. I know we're talking about accuracy in an DMR rifle so longer distances are kinda implied but with a 50gr v-max I am guessing he is looking for a varmint/predator type set-up and hope that if serious shooting at longer distances are required that he knows he's going to have to up the weight to over 60gr (as you said).
Sorry, not trying to gang up on you.
I understand what you're saying in your weight comparisons.
I don't find the ACR to be overly heavy, sure, it's heavier than an AR but it's no different than any other modern piston driven non restricted length rifle we have available and the weight really depends on the barrel you choose. My first ACR came to me with a custom 12 inch barrel and it balanced very well and was awesome but I bought it to convert to NR so I sold that barrel. Next barrel was a pencil 18.6 and it was very light but shot poorly so I sold that one as well. I'm on my second stainless Questar barrel with 8 twist and Wylde chamber and it's more a medium profile which I think is perfect for a non DMR set-up that's good for predator hunting and general hauling around on a sling.
I agree. It will work fine for plinking and most range use but I did think with this kind of setup he would be pushing 4, 5, 600. But thats an assumption for sure.
Currious how much that barrel ran you and the weight difference from the heavy profile. I agree that pencils are a no-go but a govt profile or med profile must work fine.
Currious how much that barrel ran you and the weight difference from the heavy profile. I agree that pencils are a no-go but a govt profile or med profile must work fine.
When guys talk about DMR setups I think the same thing but when I read 50gr V-max I immediately think gophers and yotes.
I wish I had weighed them all as I went through them.
The Questar barrel came with my FDE ACR so I'm not sure what it would have cost individually but I had a one off custom 18.6" stainless 300 Blackout barrel built with carbine length gas system, I had to play with the port size until I got it to cycle my subsonic loads properly. It worked out great and can shoot about .9 moa with my 155gr supersonic A-max handloads. Cost me $550 for the barrel alone, luckily I had a second gas system left over from all my trading.
Most guys don't shoot past 200 yards even though they think they need a sub moa rifle capable of 600 yards.
I don't usually have the fake suppressor on it but it is one of the ones that goes over the barrel and the length worked out almost perfectly.
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For under 300 yards on coyotes you could easily get away with the new 180C coming from Wolverine for $1000 and replace the barrel for $300-$500 if the accuracy wasn't good enough for you. Not nearly as nice as an ACR, SLR, or MV-s but it would get the job done with a lot of cash left over for an optic.
That's exactly what I'm doing with my WK180-C once it arrives.
I'll put a few rounds threw it just enough to function check. If all goes well the factory barrel is coming off and going straight into the scrap (or get lucky and sell it for 100 bucks?).
I have a Maple Ridge Armoury Match Series Stainless Straight Fluted .223 Wylde 1in8 twist barrel with the mid length gas system. Not going to use it for my SLR build anymore so on the 180-C it goes. Also have a Magpul MOE Fixed Carbine stock for it.
Rifle $995
Barrel $370
Buttstock $45
Total $1410
Leaves enough left in the budget for a nice optic. Not sure what to go with yet but something in the 1-6x or 1-8x would be all that I need for yotes.
Lol, I have the same barrel on order but I went with spiral fluting. I wonder how long we're going to have to wait for them to get some more in stock.
One of these days I'm going to give a Sightron 1-7 a try. I've owned an SIII 6-24x50 and I'm running a 3-16x42 S-Tac on my Modern Hunter in 6.5CM, they make a great optic for around $1000.
