Why do you recommend a retention holster for range use?
serpa holster not worth the money
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Why do you recommend a retention holster for range use?
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- Nova Scotia
1911 Serpas holsters are pretty safe. Manual safety, grip safety, and proper use of the holster. How would a 1911 serpa be unsafe? The people that push the lock release like a button, using the tip of their fingers. Are the one having their finger pop in the trigger guards. If you extend it out, and ride, your finger will come out resting above.
Just because people don't know how to properly use it, doesn't mean the product is crap.
I had one - it was junk, even after I performed the "KevinB mod" - if you go urban prone, the holster becomes worse than useless on gravel and is so soft that it develops gouges (not scrapes - gouges). Get a real Kydex holster from - well virtually anyone that makes them - and it'll run great for years. It doesn't have to be a hugely expensive holster, Solely Canadian's stuff is amazing value, terrific quality for the price, and Bladetech's stuff is good too - just skip the Serpa and the Fobus, they're an absolute waste of money. The only exception would be if you're issued one by an organization that doesn't give a sh*t about your safety, or performance - like a certain national police force - then get about 5 and practise incessantly with them, and your 14 pound trigger.
Wow, some of you guys must be some super duper ninja secret squirrel operators with your Serpa holsters strapped to your thighs.
I guess your extensive training and personal experience trumps that of guys like Pat Rogers, Larry Vickers, and all those other wannabes who only see tens of thousands of guys through training every year.
Why do people keep defending this piece of garbage?
Are you guys not able to afford to replace them? Are you so invested in your purchase, that you will come onto every discussion thread and try to defend them? Is it because you think wearing one makes you look like the Navy SEAL you once saw wearing one in a photograph?
There are way more problems with this holster than the likelyhood of a ND when drawing it from the holster. They lock up, fall apart right out of the package and are a poor choice.
Regards.
Mark
I guess your extensive training and personal experience trumps that of guys like Pat Rogers, Larry Vickers, and all those other wannabes who only see tens of thousands of guys through training every year.
Why do people keep defending this piece of garbage?
Are you guys not able to afford to replace them? Are you so invested in your purchase, that you will come onto every discussion thread and try to defend them? Is it because you think wearing one makes you look like the Navy SEAL you once saw wearing one in a photograph?
There are way more problems with this holster than the likelyhood of a ND when drawing it from the holster. They lock up, fall apart right out of the package and are a poor choice.
Regards.
Mark
Waynetheman
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I feel like this answer deserves a bump instead of getting buried in the bickering
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- Nova Scotia
If it is a CA NP27 45 , they have a squared off trigger loop, and that will not let the gun drop down far enough.
If it had a standard round trigger guard, would work.
I don't like that style , I use a uncle Mikes, simple and no fiddling with a latch, but I just use for informal shooting
If it had a standard round trigger guard, would work.
I don't like that style , I use a uncle Mikes, simple and no fiddling with a latch, but I just use for informal shooting
maple_leaf_eh
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This conversation reinforces the old nickname IPSC = Irrational People Squabbling Constantly. One reason why I like the concept of practical shooting, but not the layers of rules (ie. free play, but only as much as we say you can). So, come at me.
FWIW, I have a couple of Serpa holsters, and I'm still figuring out how to wear with what I want. For well over a decade, I've had a Bianchi gun-tainer (just like the one I was issued and carried for 6-mos in AFG). Which is to say, it is a step ahead from the '64 Pattern and '82 Pattern holsters, and light years ahead of tucking you BHP into a TacVest mag pocket!
FWIW, I have a couple of Serpa holsters, and I'm still figuring out how to wear with what I want. For well over a decade, I've had a Bianchi gun-tainer (just like the one I was issued and carried for 6-mos in AFG). Which is to say, it is a step ahead from the '64 Pattern and '82 Pattern holsters, and light years ahead of tucking you BHP into a TacVest mag pocket!
If it's never holding a loaded pistol and your not using it to draw and shoot,use whatever you want if it's just a place to put your gun while changing targets. If you planning on using it to hold a loaded pistol and drawing and shooting from it is suggesting going with something else,bladetech,safariland,solcan ect.
People must be so blinded by their choices, that it makes them either deaf or stupid.
It's not just about trigger finger discipline. It's about poor quality materials, it's about not retaining guns in a dynamic situation, it's about having to virtually destroy the holster to get guns out of them because the mechanism is locked up.
I get that you might only use your holster to hold your empty gun while you slowly shoot bullseyes at 10m on a static range, but the problem is when a newby sees it, and you tell him to buy one, because it is just that good, and they follow your advice, which just perperuates the cycle of garbage.
I doubt any of you that endorse this holster have anywhere near the experience of the hundreds of instructors, schools, departments and organizations that have banned it. Next time you're teaching alongside Larry, Kyle, Chris, etc., why don't you give them the benefit of your vast experience and set them straight?
Regards.
Mark
It's not just about trigger finger discipline. It's about poor quality materials, it's about not retaining guns in a dynamic situation, it's about having to virtually destroy the holster to get guns out of them because the mechanism is locked up.
I get that you might only use your holster to hold your empty gun while you slowly shoot bullseyes at 10m on a static range, but the problem is when a newby sees it, and you tell him to buy one, because it is just that good, and they follow your advice, which just perperuates the cycle of garbage.
I doubt any of you that endorse this holster have anywhere near the experience of the hundreds of instructors, schools, departments and organizations that have banned it. Next time you're teaching alongside Larry, Kyle, Chris, etc., why don't you give them the benefit of your vast experience and set them straight?
Regards.
Mark
How about you pump the breaks. No one is pretending to be an “operator” or claiming to be one.
I have carried one for work and liked it. I had no issues with hard use, mine went through two dismounted tours, and pre deployment training. Close Protection guys are running them as well.
Do I think there are better holsters out there, sure. But for light range use there are fine. Don’t hook your finger or try to pretend to be something your not.
Each piece of kit has its limitations, you need to understand those.
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And telling people just because so in so uses them is any better? Calling us blind and stupid. I could care less about what they use. Many of us don't play operator on weekends. How many of those instructor have no real first hand exp with them? They just tell people not to, because so in so said. Tactical world is just a bunch of followers, many just teach people something they can find on youtube. And its just bashing of other people kit and such. But wearing helmets trying to be seal team six.
I guess, HEY dad shouldn't used a Serpa for that 3.5 years you were overseas. Oh Yea I use one because I love hearing the wannabe operators freak out.
You're right, it's times like this when I wonder why I still bother posting on this forum anymore.
I just hope that all the organizations we consult for and supply don't realize that they could save themselves $1000's by just logging onto CGN and getting advice from real experts.
Regards.
Mark
