Make My Shotgun Longer?

PepeLapiu

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Hey guys. I have a DA Grizzly 12" Mag shotgun.
At a garage sale I found a really nice Mesa Tactical adapter, recoil buffer tube, and XLR folding adapter.
I paid 30$ for the whole kit. Neither me or the seller lady knew that it's worth 500$ new.

Problem is, if I install them on my shotgun, it will be too short once folded. At 23.5 inch, it will become a restricted gun.

I need to add 2.5 inch of lenght to the overall folded gun. I can think of a a few ways to do this. But I'm not sure any of them would be considered legal.

- Add a mag extension of +1 or +2.
- Add a Fab Defense T-Grip and a light like in the picture included.
- Get a custom barrel of 14.5 inch made.
- Have the barrel threaded and add a barrel extension, brake, or hider.

I already have all of the stuff to add the T-grip and light. I would only need to buy a forend that accepts pic rail. The T-grip and light option would only add length when the bolt is closed and forend is pushed forward.
I know I can't legally buy a longer barrel and cut it down to the lenght I want. But I could probably cut a barrel extension without any legal problems. I have not been able to find a brake or hider that would add 2.5 inch to the barrel. The longer ones I found are only 2 inch long.

Once folded the gun is still operable so it needs to be 26 inch overall lenght in order to remain unrestricted.

Do you have any other ideas as to how I can make the gun longer when folded?

It's a really nice folder kit. I would hate to not be able to put it on.
 
Having a mag extension stick out past the barrel will not count to overall length as far as I know. Overall length starts from the end of barrel to the end of stock or grip when in a fireable condition. Also brakes or flash hiders don’t count to overall length unfortunately. I would sell the kit and go another route if I were you just my 2 cents
 
Tungsten316 said:
Having a mag extension stick out past the barrel will not count to overall length as far as I know. Overall length starts from the end of barrel to the end of stock or grip when in a fireable condition. Also brakes or flash hiders don’t count to overall length unfortunately. I would sell the kit and go another route if I were you just my 2 cents
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That is the consensus I was faced with on an other forum.
In actuality, the laws are specific on what constitutes barrel lenght. From the bolt face to the muzzle without consideration to added hider or brakes or any other devise.

But overall lenght is not defined. Nothing says that a choke or light or a brake (pinned or not) are not to be considered for toral lenght.

If something being permanently attached was sufficient to be part of the total lenght, I would gladly epoxy my light into the forend. But nothing anywhere says that something has to be permanently attached.

In fact on a shotgun like the 870 or 500, nothing is permanently attached And the easiest thing to remove or swap is the barrel. I could probably change the barrel with my eyes closed without tools in under 20 seconds.

Again, nothing in the law defines 'overall lenght'. So shouldn't we interpret 'overall lenght' to mean overall lenght?

In any case, I'm going to give it a try and see if I can get a verifier to look into it for me.
 
jeffreyguy said:
actually pinned or welded flash hiders do count to overall length but not barrel length
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That is also an other rumor circulated on the other forum. Tgat somehow something needs to be permanently attached to be part of the overall lenght. I think this is a mix UT with American laws whereas they measure differently. For example they would extend a collapsible stock or folding stock to it's longest position to include it as total lenght.

Here there is nothing that specifies anything as not being part of the total lenght. Nothing is excluded or specified in the law for overall lenght.

So it appears the industry is creating some sort of rule of thumb which are not mentionned in any law.

As a last resort I might get the barrel threaded to accept chokes. So that I could screw in a barrel extension. And pin the extension into the barrel.

I can't cut a longer barrel to the desired lenght and stay in law. But nothing says I can't cut a barrel extension before adding it to the gun.
 
You're always better off reading the law than getting internet opinion. You're quite correct, there is no "modified" specific description of overall length, as such, a shotgun should be measured from one end to the other - where ever the ends may be.
 
Overall length would include a magazine extension.

It has nothing to do with barrel length. It is simply the overall length of the gun.
 
You could get Casey at Tac Ord to thread your barrel and install one of these flash hider breacher deeleys.

I just measured mine and it's 3.5" from end to end, so depending on if your barrel can be externally threaded or you need an extended threaded choke, it should add the length you need:

This is it just sitting over the barrel of my supernova, I have an extended threaded choke for my M4s90 that it belonged to.

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Dexter Morgan said:
Overall length would include a magazine extension.

It has nothing to do with barrel length. It is simply the overall length of the gun.
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Yeah, I agree with you. But the overwhelming majority of people seem to believe any attachment has to be permanently fixed (welded/pinned) to count as overall lenght. I just don't want to have to fight it out with a cop who doesn't know every detail and every stupidity of gun laws.

So if I do this, I think I will need to carry all the proper papers and a copy of the law and section in question. I might just get one of those stocks with a water proof battery storage on it and shove all the paperwork in there.
 
F22_RaptoR said:
You could get Casey at Tac Ord to thread your barrel and install one of these flash hider breacher deeleys.

I just measured mine and it's 3.5" from end to end, so depending on if your barrel can be externally threaded or you need an extended threaded choke, it should add the length you need:

This is it just sitting over the barrel of my supernova, I have an extended threaded choke for my M4s90 that it belonged to.

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The barrel needs to be externally threaded? Or threaded on the inside?

I know I can get some barrel extensions that thread onto choke threads. And tge only choke threads I have ever seen are on the inside of the barrel, as in female threads.

It still would be nice to add a barrel extension/choke/brake/hider at the end of that tiny barrel whenever I want.
 
PepeLapiu said:
That is also an other rumor circulated on the other forum. Tgat somehow something needs to be permanently attached to be part of the overall lenght. I think this is a mix UT with American laws whereas they measure differently. For example they would extend a collapsible stock or folding stock to it's longest position to include it as total lenght.

Here there is nothing that specifies anything as not being part of the total lenght. Nothing is excluded or specified in the law for overall lenght.

So it appears the industry is creating some sort of rule of thumb which are not mentionned in any law.

As a last resort I might get the barrel threaded to accept chokes. So that I could screw in a barrel extension. And pin the extension into the barrel.

I can't cut a longer barrel to the desired lenght and stay in law. But nothing says I can't cut a barrel extension before adding it to the gun.
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I think the confusion comes from the fact that the law does specify that attachments that are not permanent do not count towards BARREL length. It seems some people are incorrectly applying that rule to overall length as well.

PepeLapiu said:
Yeah, I agree with you. But the overwhelming majority of people seem to believe any attachment has to be permanently fixed (welded/pinned) to count as overall lenght. I just don't want to have to fight it out with a cop who doesn't know every detail and every stupidity of gun laws.

So if I do this, I think I will need to carry all the proper papers and a copy of the law and section in question. I might just get one of those stocks with a water proof battery storage on it and shove all the paperwork in there.
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There shouldn't be any need to carry any papers. The definition of restricted firearm is available free online, and in any event no self respecting cop who is in doubt about the legality of a firearm should be relying on papers from the guy who he suspects of breaking the law.

Sounds to me like you need a factory 18" barrel or a mag extension and be done with it.

Remington makes a 14" factory barrel but I guess that doesn't quite get you there.

You can legally cut a barrel, but the cut barrel has to be a minimum of 457mm, which is probably a few inches longer than what you need.
 
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