A (dumb?) question for takedown optics

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I'm still in the brain storming phase of deciding how I want to tackle optics on a BLR takedown project. I've been reading a lot about it and considering options from the standard scout scope options https://www.leupold.com/scopes/rifle-scopes/fx-ii-scout-ier-2-5x28mm to the minimalist approach like a Skinner peep http://www.skinnersights.com/barrel_mount_6.html.

My question is if anyone around here has ever tinkered with the concept of 'splitting up the issue' so to speak, and mounting a red dot on the barrel to retain zero and a red dot magnifier on the receiver to provide magnification without the need for extreme eye relief. It may end up looking fugly as anything but I'm wondering if the optics and concept is solid and if there is any science getting in my way that I haven't considered. (I especially appreciate the info as I've never gone to a red dot for previous projects and have zero experience with a magnifier for them so I'm a definitely working this through as a first phase mental exercise right now.)
 
I see no reason to undertake this exercise. You're taking a fairly simple concept and complication it and adding more fragile parts to it. Doesn't make sense on anything or than a theoretical level.
 
I believe the BLR does not need to be spun all the way off, more like a AR barrel that rotates 1/3rd (not sure please feel free to verify) by use of removing barrel thread in three equal spaced portions of the barrel and action.

Have a look at the TC dimension, they have a rail that is attached to the barrel but is cantilevered back over the action so as to keep the barrel attached to the optic.

Following the TC dimensions design would probably achieve those results.

But, as mentioned above, that burris 2-7 is how I would go, and just quick release leupold mounts or similar.
 
With the BLR scout set up you have to lose the rear sight.

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Slamfire said:
With the BLR scout set up you have to lose the rear sight.

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That is how I am probably going to end up set up, lets be honest. 2.5 is going to be plenty of magnification for what I have in mind. Upgraded iron sights really are an option with regards to intended range so that leupold is a great answer.

I appreciate the link to the Burris option as well. Vortex also makes one: http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/crossfire-II-2-7x32-scout-scope and if you really want to get fancy Leupold has a second option with some illumination (though only a 6ish inch eye relief so that might be tough): https://www.leupold.com/scopes/compact-scopes/vx-r-1-5-5x33mm-scout

I think the reason I'm spending as much time researching is because it really feels like the ONLY options for what I want to accomplish and anytime there seems to be only a single answer to a problem I start trying to figure out why. :redface:

BigUglyMan said:
I see no reason to undertake this exercise. You're taking a fairly simple concept and complication it and adding more fragile parts to it. Doesn't make sense on anything or than a theoretical level.
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There is a reason I put the dumb in parenthesis but it (to me at least) really is an interesting question. Why hasn't the market come up with more solutions to the takedown optic issue?

The aim point (in whatever form) needs to be on the barrel to maintain zero - that is an unavoidable constant. That leaves you with an eye relief issue. Scout scopes trade off optically and give you that needed eye relief. But red dots with magnifiers is the only in production two-part, separable, system that I've been able to research that you could buy right now where you can literally attach an aim point to barrel and have a magnification system on a receiver (closer to the eye). Thus the question of whether anyone has actually tinkered with that.

You are right though - probably a big waste of time on a non-problem given the nice scout scopes linked already, but I'm probably going to have this in the back of my mind for the next few years until I eventually break down and try it or something along the same lines. (Then I can go back to my proven setup with less money in my pocket :cool:)

cody c said:
Have a look at the TC dimension, they have a rail that is attached to the barrel but is cantilevered back over the action so as to keep the barrel attached to the optic.

Following the TC dimensions design would probably achieve those results.
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Had a look. Nifty, but I love me some BLR takedown already so that part of the equation is locked down. It certainly does answer the question for others on a similar path though since long eye relief isn't a part of the equation with that particular takedown style.
 
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Leupold 2.5x scout weighs only 7.5 oz. Compared to the VX-R at 14.2 oz (7" eye relief seems insufficient for the scout set up) and Crossfire at 12 oz. The 2.5x scout has adequate magnification for longer range shots. Nailed this Moose with it on my 358 no problem at about 150 meters.

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Rynnik said:
I appreciate the link to the Burris option as well. Vortex also makes one: http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/crossfire-II-2-7x32-scout-scope and if you really want to get fancy Leupold has a second option with some illumination (though only a 6ish inch eye relief so that might be tough): https://www.leupold.com/scopes/compact-scopes/vx-r-1-5-5x33mm-scout

I think the reason I'm spending as much time researching is because it really feels like the ONLY options for what I want to accomplish and anytime there seems to be only a single answer to a problem I start trying to figure out why. :redface:
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Went to a scope after iron shooting most my life (bad eyes now). I wanted the Burris (because I like Burris) but I went with the Vortex 2-7x32 as a package on my scout rifle. The more I shoot with it the more I like it, especially the 2x with both eyes open. Quick, sharp, and I was really surprised at the optic quality for the price. Now I'm ranging out to 200 yards at 7x, which is something would probably never usually shoot as a game range, and I'm starting to think I'm really something.
 
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