Ruger 1s- I Rekon I want a 30-30

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Hey Whats my chances of finding a 3030 Ruger 1 in Aus ? I rekon we were lucky to get the 303 british offering, I see some talk on here about a 30-30 model!
With the 30-30 , Does everything add up well? 308 bore? not a excessive throat? or is this common with all Ruger?

I wont be diving into this as I am going to Sell my 9.3 T3 firstly, in the coming months... but then I will be #1 shopping I thinks!

How does the 44 magnum perform in the #1 rifle? I want something that is in the "243" range for "whitetail / Muleys" ... along the lines of 30-30 / 257rob / something afar from 303brit which I will use on the big Deer.


Whats peoples thoughts on Rebarrelled Ruger 1s? fairly common isn't it, fairly straight forward?

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Not much point in the .30-30 if you already have the .303 Brit... I would go under with a 6.5X55 or 7X57 or over with a Whelen or one of the 9.3's.
 
hoytcanon said:
Not much point in the .30-30 if you already have the .303 Brit... I would go under with a 6.5X55 or 7X57 or over with a Whelen or one of the 9.3's.
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not much point in the 7x57 if You have a 7-08, not much point in a 35 whelen or 9.3 if You already have both LOL but yeh, they did chamber the 257 Roberts :D

not worried about the points of it though, the 3030 wth Rimmed case suits the #1 , id love one in a .375 Winnie :D :p
the 3030 is well suited to those species of Deer an including the Fallow deer and Red deer of Australia which is also certainly capable for the Sambar with a competent shooter.
 
WhelanLad said:
not much point in the 7x57 if You have a 7-08, not much point in a 35 whelen or 9.3 if You already have both LOL but yeh, they did chamber the 257 Roberts :D

not worried about the points of it though, the 3030 wth Rimmed case suits the #1 , id love one in a .375 Winnie :D :p
the 3030 is well suited to those species of Deer an including the Fallow deer and Red deer of Australia which is also certainly capable for the Sambar with a competent shooter.
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The 7-08 is a Kimber, the 9.3 is a Tikka and you are selling it... it is not just about the cartridge, but also the platform... you already have a rimmed .30 cal in the .303 Brit, and a ballistically better one than the .30-30... if you are going to spend the coin on another No.1, it might as well be a different flavour. I have owned three No.1's chambered for .257 Roberts, two "A" models and my current RSI, it is a nice carry rifle, but I still think the 6.5X55 or 7X57 is a better all-around choice... or since you are selling the Tikka 9.3X62, a No.1-S in that cartridge would be a good choice, or a Whelen if you can find one... I have one of the "rarer" A-versions in a Whelen (as opposed to the more common S-version).

I love the .30-30 in a No.1, and if you had half a dozen No.1's it would be a great one to play with, my No.1-A .30-30 was a corker with 150 NBT and 39.0 LVR... but for your second No.1, other cartridges make more sense (IMO)... but, if you just gotta, you just gotta... maybe you can snag one of the new walnut/stainless versions.
 
There's no good reason not to. If I was going to look for a 30-30 in a #1 to compliment a 303 I would definitely want to ensure that the 30-30 was different enough for the whole endeavour to make sense. Shorter, lighter, handier...something like that. But if they were essentially the same then I would have a hard time getting excited about the 30-30 when I had the more capable 303 already on hand. The 303 holds much more interest for me than the 30-30. I also understand a desire to use rimmed cartridges in the #1...it just feels right to me. But where that leaves you in your quest for a "Whitetail/Mulie" caliber. Could you live without a rim? The Bob would be a great choice. SO would the 25-06 or 270.
 
For 2018, a limited run is offered in stainless/walnut. Very appealing.

In North America it's a popular round so ammo/brass is readily available and isn't costly, and 30 caliber bullet choices are numerous. A definite maybe. Especially one with a nice stock. Another flanged chambering for the collection.

Maybe possible to get enhanced performance with the strong No.1 action. ;)

https://www.ruger.com/products/no1/specSheets/21317.html

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WhelanLad said:
not a excessive throat? or is this common with all Ruger?
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Can't answer specifically, but a long throat on a #1 in .30-30 would seem to be an advantage, no? The ability to seat bullets out and maximize powder capacity to take advantage of the #1 action would transform the performance of the round I would imagine.

Can't speak to the #1, but .44 mag out of a rifle is near enough as makes no difference to .30-30, but with perhaps half the effective range on whitetail size animals. Fun little cartridge to play with in a rifle though, and dirt cheap shooting if you cast.
 
.30-30 case neck is rather long so not much additional case capacity to be had by seating 150 to 170gr bullets out further. However - and not a recommendation - but maybe higher pressure loadings are safely possible in a No.1 rifle?

ANSI Z299.4 lists recommended maximum average pressure for the .30-30 as 42 ksi, likely in deference to weaker strength lever action rifles. The .308 is listed as 62 ksi. ;)

p.29: http://www.saami.org/specifications_and_information/publications/download/Z299-4_ANSI-SAAMI_CFR.pdf

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BigUglyMan said:
In a #1 why wouldn't a person use a spitzer bullet? Using the standard offerings would make no sense. There are so many better bullets out there.
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Agree... When I had my No.1-A .30-30, I settled on the 150 NBT with a case full of LVR... it was quite something for a .30-30, but of course, still came up short of the .303 Brit.

A nice way to go when complementing the No.1-A Brit is a larger bore thumper. I recently picked up my second No.1-H .405 Win... I load it hot with 300 SP's and mild with 370 cast. With the 300 SP, it is surprisingly flat"ish"... +2.5" @ 100, -2.5" @ 200. The cast get 52.0 grains of H4895 and topped off with Puff-Lon @ 3.300"... really nice deer/bear thumper.
 
Slamfire said:
.30-30 case neck is rather long so not much additional case capacity to be had by seating 150 to 170gr bullets out further. However - and not a recommendation - but maybe higher pressure loadings are safely possible in a No.1 rifle?
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You'll get the exact same capacity increase seating a bullet further out whether the neck is long or short. X thou * .308 is the same volume regardless of whether it's in the neck or the body.

All the LVR loads for .30-30 are compressed, and produce the highest velocities.

You can see where I'm going with that...
 
BigUglyMan said:
In a #1 why wouldn't a person use a spitzer bullet? Using the standard offerings would make no sense. There are so many better bullets out there.
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Yep for sure! id use a Woodleigh 150gr I rekon in .30 -30

flashman2 said:
Can't answer specifically, but a long throat on a #1 in .30-30 would seem to be an advantage, no? The ability to seat bullets out and maximize powder capacity to take advantage of the #1 action would transform the performance of the round I would imagine.

Can't speak to the #1, but .44 mag out of a rifle is near enough as makes no difference to .30-30, but with perhaps half the effective range on whitetail size animals. Fun little cartridge to play with in a rifle though, and dirt cheap shooting if you cast.
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yeh fair call too regarding being half the effective use in range, a fair lob ofa bullet too..

BigUglyMan said:
There's no good reason not to. If I was going to look for a 30-30 in a #1 to compliment a 303 I would definitely want to ensure that the 30-30 was different enough for the whole endeavour to make sense. Shorter, lighter, handier...something like that. But if they were essentially the same then I would have a hard time getting excited about the 30-30 when I had the more capable 303 already on hand. The 303 holds much more interest for me than the 30-30. I also understand a desire to use rimmed cartridges in the #1...it just feels right to me. But where that leaves you in your quest for a "Whitetail/Mulie" caliber. Could you live without a rim? The Bob would be a great choice. SO would the 25-06 or 270.
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yes for sure bum, I hear ya.. but I do kind of like the 3030 as it is, 150gr would do a great job, as would a heavier 257 bullet, from a Roberts.. the 2506 might not be tooo bad with a shorter 22-23 inch barel.. I wouldn't go any bigger without a rim, I guess the brit and the thurtythurty are pretty similar in ways which wouldn't difer on game, yet it just isn't killen it with a 3030 if you kill em with a 303 :D

hoytcanon said:
The 7-08 is a Kimber, the 9.3 is a Tikka and you are selling it... it is not just about the cartridge, but also the platform... you already have a rimmed .30 cal in the .303 Brit, and a ballistically better one than the .30-30... if you are going to spend the coin on another No.1, it might as well be a different flavour. I have owned three No.1's chambered for .257 Roberts, two "A" models and my current RSI, it is a nice carry rifle, but I still think the 6.5X55 or 7X57 is a better all-around choice... or since you are selling the Tikka 9.3X62, a No.1-S in that cartridge would be a good choice, or a Whelen if you can find one... I have one of the "rarer" A-versions in a Whelen (as opposed to the more common S-version).

I love the .30-30 in a No.1, and if you had half a dozen No.1's it would be a great one to play with, my No.1-A .30-30 was a corker with 150 NBT and 39.0 LVR... but for your second No.1, other cartridges make more sense (IMO)... but, if you just gotta, you just gotta... maybe you can snag one of the new walnut/stainless versions.
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Copy on ssome of that Hoyty, I don't want the Recoil, however the weight of the #1 would ease that a bit, something like the 8x57 rimmed... or alongthe lines of the 338 / 8mm area would be cool to replace that 9.3 but its going for funds elsewhere... I still own the Hawkeye 35 Whelen....
RE the 257 Roberts, how does it really go, compared to the 243? it does have my Son in mind, for a fairfew years down the track... 4-5yrs
 
WhelanLad said:
I don't want the Recoil, however the weight of the #1 would ease that a bit, something like the 8x57 rimmed... or alongthe lines of the 338 / 8mm area would be cool to replace that 9.3 but its going for funds elsewhere... I still own the Hawkeye 35 Whelen....
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I thought you wanted to sell the Whelen a while back because it was too heavy?
 
WhelanLad said:
... RE the 257 Roberts, how does it really go, compared to the 243? it does have my Son in mind, for a fairfew years down the track... 4-5yrs
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I like the Roberts quite a lot, I have owned 8 or 10 over the years, two now in an M77 MKII and a No.1-RSI... not thrilled with the .25 cal bullet options, but once you find your load that point is moot... I settled on the 115 NBT, or rather, it settled on me... 48.0 RL-19 is golden in both rifles, which is convenient. I personally think it is a better deer cartridge than the .243, but if you play with numbers on paper it may not necessarily seem so... when you have seen a fair number of reactions to the shot and dressed a few ton of game, some intangibles stand out even to casual observation, I will stand by my statement. Both the .243 and the .257 have been offered in A, B and RSI versions, and the .243 was also offered in the "V" version, but I wouldn't recommend it as a carry rifle, especially for a youngster... too long and front heavy. You best bet is an "A", like your .303 Brit... slim and short with a 22" barrel... but the 20" International is a sweet handling piece... although, I still think a 6.5X55 is a better choice than either the .243 or .257.
 
WhelanLad said:
yeahhhhssss, this is also a possibility if I self centre a bit more an think about MY NEEDS :D
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Well that 7mm-08 would be perfect for the young fellow when he picks up hunting. That leaves you in a position to take care of your own needs...maybe you need to get rid of the x62 and the Whelen and slide yourself into a #1 in 9.3x74R. That clears up any potential duplication and clears you up to search our a #1 in 7x57R for your rats and mice.

Can anyone confirm that a 7x57R reamer will clean up the standard chamber? We could get our wayward brother into a real pickle if it does.
 
flashman2 said:
You'll get the exact same capacity increase seating a bullet further out whether the neck is long or short. X thou * .308 is the same volume regardless of whether it's in the neck or the body.

All the LVR loads for .30-30 are compressed, and produce the highest velocities.

You can see where I'm going with that...
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With the 170gr for example, the bullet doesn't extend down into the body so very little extra capacity is gained by decreasing seating depth to use the long skinny neck volume to increase powder charge. Works better if it's a bullet that protrudes deeply into the case and can be seated less deep if permitted by the rifle. Like the 7.62x39, .45-70 or 9.3x74R No.1's, or a .350 Rem. Mag. in a long action.

I have a .30-30 Handi-Rifle that has a long throat and get only a bit more speed by taking advantage of decreased seating depth. Higher pressure loads defeat the spring extractor then the case has to be knocked out with a cleaning rod from the muzzle end which makes for rather slow follow up shots.

With the No.1 the extractor has plenty of grip on the flange and there's manual extraction power.

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Slamfire said:
With the 170gr for example, the bullet doesn't extend down into the body so very little extra capacity is gained by decreasing seating depth to use the long skinny neck volume to increase powder charge...
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You missed his point and flashman2 is correct when it comes to "capacity"... the volume of the bullet is the volume of the bullet, it does not matter if it is in the case body or the neck, seating it out by the same amount will increase the case capacity by an equal amount whether you are relieving the body or neck.
 
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