The days of good quality inexpensive forged M14 receivers are officially over :( :(

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So I visited the local shop today and saw a brand new current import M14 clone on the rack. I got a chance to field strip it and check it out in detail, I think these pics will speak for themselves. It's one of the new 7.62x39 rifles and M@rstar was the importer, though I suspect that doesn't much matter - they are all coming form the same place.

We know that virtually all the M14 receivers we have seen up until at least the 2014 import batches were still being built on 1990's era receivers originall made for the US market. The alphabet numbers on the receiver below the wood line contained 1990's date codes, even if the assembly date above the wood line was 2013 or 2014.

These excellent forged, machined and geometrically correct receivers look to have now officially been used up.

Take a look at this 2016-made receiver imported this year:

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Yes, that's a big casting sprue mark just in front of the bolt stop, and yes, all the left side of the receiver is as-cast. Looks to me like an investment casting with no attempt to machine the surface smooth post-pour.

Who knows if it's dimensionally correct - that's doubtful given it's left as-cast, including the scope mounting splines and given probable mould shrinkage. SA Inc. gets around this by casting their receivers over-sized and then machining every surface to correct dimension, just like a forging. The Chinese, to cut costs, are casting non-critical surfaces to final dimension, more or less, then just sandblasting and parkerizing.

Here you can see they machined a cleaner flat on the side of the heel to accept their manufacturer's markings, but the cut wasn't deep enough to clean up all the casting surfaces. Notice the 2016 assembly date.

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Now look how crude the receiver heel is. There's even a visible mould line they didn't bother to clean up:

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There were no alphabet codes on the left side under the wood line, but there is a manufacture CNC engraving on the RIGHT side:

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This looks to be a new-made 2016 production receiver.

Now what I don't know is if they are using these cheaper receivers only on the lower-pressure 7.62x39 guns, or if this is the new normal for imports moving forward. What I suspect is that like with the MIM bolts, older and better made parts are drying up and the Chinese are switching the cheaper alternatives to try and stay at the same price point for dealers that aren't willing to import a more expensive M14 variant.

Interesting times...
 
No, I didn't buy the rifle - that's why the serial number is obscured - it's still in a dealer's inventory.

I'm sure it will function and shoot safely (or I hope so?). But it's not the same quality we have come to know and love on previous generations of M305 rifles.

One pleasant surprise is this one had a non-MIM bolt in it.
 
I purchased the combo deal they had over easter weekend with the bulgarian crate, il get it out in the next couple weeks and post some reviews. Iive never had the pleasure of shooting an old one, or even in a different calibre. what did they used to go for? or just seemed of better quality back then?
 
I had purchased a GI style M305 from M@rstar last month and had asked if their stock had mim or forged bolts and he confirmed prior to purchase that his were forged.

I placed an order on that basis and in my order notes again I asked to make sure it actually had a forged bolt prior to shipping so we don't waste eachother's time.

Guess what?.... it was mim :rolleyes:
 
I had purchased a GI style M305 from M@rstar last month and had asked if their stock had mim or forged bolts and he confirmed prior to purchase that his were forged.

I placed an order on that basis and in my order notes again I asked to make sure it actually had a forged bolt prior to shipping so we don't waste eachother's time.

Guess what?.... it was mim :rolleyes:

Did you keep the rifle and look for a different bolt, or return it?

At this point, it might be worth hoarding forged receivers, regardless if it has a MIM bolt, if the future is craptacular cast junk.

New forged bolts can be had from Fulton or LRB for a LOT less money than buying a complete LRB, Rock-Ola/BULA or SAI rifle.
 
I had purchased a GI style M305 from M@rstar last month and had asked if their stock had mim or forged bolts and he confirmed prior to purchase that his were forged.

I placed an order on that basis and in my order notes again I asked to make sure it actually had a forged bolt prior to shipping so we don't waste eachother's time.

Guess what?.... it was mim :rolleyes:

Ha- Ha , you got m@rstared, glad you got your money back. those mim bolts should not be allowed into the country.
 
So now the question is what's going to blow up first, the mim bolt or the receiver ?
I'm not really surprised that they started making junk receivers. Am definetely never buying a new m 305 or the x39 version. They should all be sent back to China as scrap before someone gets hurt
My m 305 got sent back to NS for inspection/ repair. If it doesn't get fixed properly or they send me more unsafe junk as a replacement, it's going straight to the scrap pile.
 
I think that the writing was on the wall for awhile now. Last year I put out a thread pointing out some of the changes on new production m305s such as the type of plastics used for the stock and stamped hold opens but my rant was roughly ignored because I pretend to be a know it all and everyone hates guys like me which is fair because I hate know it all also.

Then the MIM bolt issue reared its head and now cast receivers. The reality is that there is no way that China, with their growing middle class, can continue to make what they make without cutting more corners and raising their prices. Remember, over the past 40 or so years, China lifted 80 million of its people out of poverty and now their childern have their sights set on becoming the middle class which means higher wages and with people like our Prime Minister pushing health, safety and a third gender neutural washrooms as a trade stipulation, there is no question that the price of products will go up and quality will go down. And I am sure that stuff like transportation and commodity prices has a bit to do with it also. This is Capitalism at its finest.

My point is that, gone are the days of a half decent made firearm, made from decent materials and at an affordable price. Many people knock Norinco for no other reason than their price point. But those in the know, know that for what they are, they are very under valued. The US ban on Norinco products wasn't because some Chinese official sold a bazooka to a LA banger, it was because the Americans knew that the Norincos were better quality than their Saturday night specials and were undercutting their prices of their higher end firearms. In fact some of Norinco's products were in some ways better than their premium products such as the m305 forged receiver and NZ75 and N1911 frames which competitive shooters started using as a base for their build because of the strength of the metal.

I know that the people on this thread are discouraged because of the inevitable changes in quality and prices but there is a silver lining. Many of the older Norinco inventory is still out there and the prices has not gone up yet. I use to bash Norincos and then I got my m305 for $200 and I compared it with my $2000 Springfield Armory and I understood why the Americans were so afraid. I then bought a new N1911, NZ85 and N22. My N1911 was $338 which included shipping and taxes and when I compared it to my Sig 1911 and my older Browning 1911 it really opened my eyes. Look for the new/older inventory before everything drys up.
 
Finally, it was over so newbie can skip that era and move forward to AR10 style rifles honestly even an ok one from BCL is shooting quite good as my fully loaded LRB M25.
 
The quality has certainly dropped on those rifles in recent years . I looked at a couple that I was considering buying , and they looked pretty rough on the quality control side ; maybe that explains why you see quite a few on the EE as folks try to dump them .
 
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The quality has certainly dropped on those rifles in recent years . I looked at a couple that I was considering buying , and they looked pretty rough on the quality control side ; maybe that explains why you see quite a few on the EE as folks try to dump them .

Fwiw, most ppl in the know bought these for the receiver and op rod. If anything else on the rifle turned out to be in spec, bonus.

I havebought, and likely still will buy, 2014 and earlier m305s to rob the receiver for gi builds. I don't even care if the bolts were mim, I typically scrap the norinco bolt anyway.

These new receivers though.... They might be functional, time will tell, but they are no longer a diamond in the rough.

By the way, just because it's cast does not mean it won't hold up. That depends what alloy they used and how it was heat treated. These are variables we don't know.

We do know the older receivers were made in the 1990s under the supervision of keng's sporting goods in the USA, were made of the right metal, heat retreated properly, and were dimensionally right where it counts.
 
There is another delicate line that someone is going to cross publically, and it will only end badly.

Someone in the firearms community will complain to the feds that the latest M305 imports are unsafe, and (GOSH!) dangerous. Our overseers will take this as a public safety incident and an invitation to save us from ourselves. Like the particular model of SKS that went full-auto under very specific conditions, and generated a full-scale RCMP inspection bulletin. This time, knowing the contents of C71, I can see the RCMP summoning all M305 rifles for inspection.

Time to tell the importers that their zeal is going to blowback on all of us. The Canadian firearms community has done to itself more than once. The $hitstorm over Czech and Swiss rifles happened when one dealer got mad at another dealer who was mowing his grass with gray-market imports. Look how that gave the RCMP firearms lab a golden opportunity to elevate those expensive guns to the naughty list. The politicians lapped it up. (I can think of another very pricey example of a specific firearm where two or more importers got into a pillow fight over who had national rights, but I refuse to divulge the details.)
 
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