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Hey,

I was hoping to get some advice from you all.

New to the firearm club and im trying to narrow down my first purchase (9mm). Ive tested out the vp9, p320, M&P 2.0, glock 17, and shadow 2
The P320 felt good in the hands but not great.

My question is does anyone have any first hand experience using the Canik TP9SF and CZ P-09? unfortunately these 2 pistols cannot be tested out at the ranges we have here. Ive held both and they feel very comfortable and more natural in my hand.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated

THANKS!!!
 
Canik Tp9sf is a great pistol, very accurate and a fantastic trigger,, however the trigger is very light, with a short reset, I know a couple of new shooters who have had a negligent discharge due to the lightness of the trigger,,accidently double tapping when not intending to, so something to keep in mind. I have no experience with the CZ, so cannot comment on that. Have a look at the FNS9LS also, excellent pistol for a first pistol, my wife has 15-20k rounds down range with hers and it looks brand new and functions every time without fail
 
The p09 is just a lighter polymer version of the cz75. So it's just a question of did you prefer the recoil impulse of the shadow 2 you tested or any of the polymers you tested? Nothing really wrong with p09. The trigger is very heavy and gritty. My major concern about it is if cz will continue to support it. It seems they have moved forward with the p10 for their polymer needs. This could spell the end for the p07 and p09 perhaps?
 
If you are new and budget oriented definitely get a 22lr and try to shoot it for a few thousand rounds before bothering with 9mm. Work out all your kinks and then switch to 9mm and learn to manage the recoil. Even with a rifle I suggest the same thing. If I could redo all my shooting I would have bought a 22lr rifle and 22lr pistol to start. CHEAP ammo encourages you to go shoot more often!

As far as what feels good. Handle as many pistols as you can, and if the merchants will allow it, ask to dry fire them and if they are dry fire safe. Sometimes a grip feels great until you pull at the trigger. Personally for 9mm pistols I like the small glock grips and walther grips the most. But again, everyone likes different grips.
 
JMHO. I had a couple of .22 S&W revolvers and a couple of semi auto pistols. I found that after a short while, they had no real value as training guns. They were great for plinking though.

What helped me get better with center-fire pistols was dryfiring. If I didn't hit the bullseye, or whatever target it was, I'd go back to dry-firing. 10 dry fires then live ammo.

There was no point in shooting live ammo, whether .22 or 9mm or 45acp, when all I was doing was miss due to flinch, poor grip, or poor sight picture, or wrong breathing technique, etc.
 
I say go buy a 9mm. Nothing wrong with a 22 but if you want a 9mm. Giver!

The recoil is minimal anyways. I wouldn't suggest starting with a 44 mag or anything like that
but 9mm is fine.
 
Unless you enjoy shooting .22, I'd say skip the caliber. I learned to shoot with .40 because personally I find .22 to be a snoozefest.
I like 9mm because it's affordable and fun. For me .22 is very affordable, but not fun.

Find a gun you like to shoot and one that fits your hands well.
Since in your post you say you want a 9mm, go with that. You can't go wrong with any of the pistols you listed and you'll be happy with any of them. I went with Glock because it has a plentiful aftermarket and it fits my hands very well.
 
If this is your first pistol, get your 9mm and get your cravings filled despite all the 22LR promoters here. Why? You will find yourself getting bored shortly after getting a 22lr... like after your first range session. That said, lots of good practice to be had by shooting a 22.
 
jimbo14 said:
I suggest a .22LR. Cheap to feed, better to learn on compared to a 9mm.
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Me too, but in a 9, any of the choices you mentioned would be nice; if they fit you.

You will learn quicker with a good .22, and have less frustration. I think there was a really nice Buckmark in the EE today for $400.00
 
Trinimon said:
If this is your first pistol, get your 9mm and get your cravings filled despite all the 22LR promoters here. Why? You will find yourself getting bored shortly after getting a 22lr... like after your first range session. That said, lots of good practice to be had by shooting a 22.
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With all due respect, I have a .22 pistol I have owned since the 70's and I still shoot it regularly; a few thousand rounds a year. I also shoot my 9mm, my .40 and my .45 a lot too, with a few thousand rounds per year through each. I'm not quite as good with the centerfire as I am with the .22, but I'm getting there. I reload all of my centrefire ammo (if I did not, I could not afford to shoot near as much as I do), and it still is expensive compared to .22.
 
Trinimon said:
If this is your first pistol, get your 9mm and get your cravings filled despite all the 22LR promoters here. Why? You will find yourself getting bored shortly after getting a 22lr... like after your first range session. That said, lots of good practice to be had by shooting a 22.
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My first 3 pistols were 9mm, and I've shot a lot of calibers since then. Now I'm going back to .22lr and wish I started there. Why?

Because learning on a pistol with recoil and a bang has taught me all kinds of bad habits. Im a foundations kind of guy and want to rebuild my pyramid of good shooting. Why not start off with good habits?
 
I think there is a lot of sage advice in regards to the .22. Chief amongst there is value, and volume. You really can't beat 22. Though I do love 9mm, 22lr has a habit of forcing me to focus more. This likely happens as you no longer need to focus on things like recoil impulse. That said, if you want to become an amazing shooter, I'd buy an great 22 revolver, and work your way through 10000 or so rounds, slow fire. You'll be a wiz, plus they're fun as all heck.

As far as centrefire goes, I will say this: fit is more important than most everything else (as long as it's a reliable platform). Try things out, and see what fits your hand best. Especially starting off, ergos are everything. If the grip does not suit you, you'll never develop a suitable grip. You'll also find that certain features will physically rub or pinch. This is especially true for slide stops and triggers. If i could start all over again, this would have saved me a ton of trouble.

To the above, particular attention should be paid to reliability and availability of parts. Doesn't have to be a glock, but some parts are down right difficult (P09 mags come to mind).

On that note, I owned a P09 most recently, and will say that it is one of the finest polymer guns out there. There's no chance that they'll phase it out (P07) as well, as they're starting to pick up steam. Recoil impulse puts all the striker fired guns to shame, as does the trigger. Someone mentioned gritty before, and it's anything but that. As long as the guts are clean, you'll be getting one of the finest service pistols ever made. She's large over all, but feels great in hand (smaller hands too). My only point of caution would be magazine availability. Service life is a total non issue, as some users are 50000 rounds deep, with no breakages. Plus, the majority of springs are from the standard 75 line.

Again, I only bring the P09 up because it was noted.

If i could do it all over again with a little over $1000, if get a brand new M&P9 2.0, and a nice Smith and Wesson K22 revolver in .22. Those two platforms could take you a long way before you outgrow either.
 
My own first gun was a 9mm Shadow. I had to add a .22 as my second gun to aid me with chasing away a bad flinching issue I developed. So I do feel that there is much to recommend the idea of a .22.

The range where I shot a lot the first few years had a rental P-09. It had a HORRIBLE trigger when it came out of the case. But when I tried it again a few months and about 5K rounds later it was actually very smooth and moderately light. So they can be a nice gun given some time or with a little smoothing up work done to them by a smith. Pay for the ammo or pay for the smith.

We each prefer different things though. For me the rental range gave me exposure to around a dozen 9mm guns. It didn't take long at all to determine that I preferred all metal guns and those with hammers over strikers. Hence the Shadow being my first handgun.
 
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