Rem 783 .308 Walnut. I'm likin' this unit.

[Mystic Precision]

... I really feel that the old 700's days are numbered due to the good engineering, precision manufacturing and barrel swapping ability of rifles made this way. The aftermarket is already gearing up for the 783, and well they should. It's a sleeper of an action that just like the 788, made for better accuracy out of the box than the 700 fer sure.

Sure wish Remington had these buggers available in 6.5 CM & .358 Win as well though.

Any short action chambering is now possible...

Jerry

 

[Hitzy]

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One last party trick... for those with Rem 783's, this is how your bolt can operate after you have used it a bit.

The picture is showing a bolt lifted with the trigger dropped. For those that have been around bolt actions, should understand what I am trying to demonstrate.

I am not touching the bolt .... I am taking the picture.

Try this with ANY bolt action and let me know what you find.

Jerry

It's not engaging the extraction cam?

 

[SHELL SHUCKER]

Any short action chambering is now possible...

Jerry

No worries on that Jerry. I've been keepin' tabs on yer work with these 783's and love the results ye be getting. Top flight performance for sure.
I'm hoping the factory will bring out the walnut version in 6.5 CM & .358 Win for us hunter/plinker folk so we don't have to order separate barrels.

That said, I've got McGowen barrels from you before and they've shot just dandy for me as on my .32-40 LE squirrel bomber.
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I reckon the Remington restructure may result in having the bean counters look more closely at the cost of manufacture of the 700's in comparison to the 783 along with the performance differences. The 700 trigger lawsuit must still be fresh in the minds of the management. I know which direction I'd be going on that.

Keep up the great work Jerry.
JJ

 

[Hitzy]

At $600 Remington is definitely making more profit off the 783 then a 700 SPS no doubt about that...
One design issue I'm waiting to see if it holds up in the 783 is the alloy nub on the firing pin/cocking piece. Mine shows pretty solid peening after only a few hundred rounds. If that lets go, you have the potential for a cocking piece in the face, or AD, or both.

 

[Mystic Precision]

No worries on that Jerry. I've been keepin' tabs on yer work with these 783's and love the results ye be getting. Top flight performance for sure.
I'm hoping the factory will bring out the walnut version in 6.5 CM & .358 Win for us hunter/plinker folk so we don't have to order separate barrels.

That said, I've got McGowen barrels from you before and they've shot just dandy for me as on my .32-40 LE squirrel bomber.
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I reckon the Remington restructure may result in having the bean counters look more closely at the cost of manufacture of the 700's in comparison to the 783 along with the performance differences. The 700 trigger lawsuit must still be fresh in the minds of the management. I know which direction I'd be going on that.

Keep up the great work Jerry.
JJ

OMG... that is gorgeous!!! What a fantastic set up... nice work indeed. Love to get some pics and info for my FB page.

The 700 trigger and the cost of manf will be reviewed I am sure.... but there is so much momentum that it will likely continue for quite some time. BUT the new 783s are catching shooter interest and all they have to do is run the rifle a bit to see how well it works.

It took Savage about 4, maybe 5yrs to really catch on when they restructured.... Floating bolt head, prefit barrels.. Meh!!! now look at the way this tech has taken over.

The 783 process and manf moves Remington into the leading edge and I am sure has cut down a whole lot of headaches in production vs call backs. If the new Rem applies the same process, the 700 can be improved and moved into the current levels of manf... then it really wouldn't be a huge difference. But shouldered headspaced barrels are always going to take longer and cost more... and open the door to QC issues.

Let's see how things evolve.... but the tooling involved in the 783 manf indicates to me a long term view on this product.

Jerry

 

[Mystic Precision]

At $600 Remington is definitely making more profit off the 783 then a 700 SPS no doubt about that...
One design issue I'm waiting to see if it holds up in the 783 is the alloy nub on the firing pin/cocking piece. Mine shows pretty solid peening after only a few hundred rounds. If that lets go, you have the potential for a cocking piece in the face, or AD, or both.

From my rifles, it looks like that nub is a wear in item.. Mine did the same thing but now has not changed in close to 800rds and thousands of dry fire cycles. I keep it lubed and it works just fine.

wrt to the bolt handle, the rifle is a #### on opening design but behaves like a #### on closing wrt to bolt lift effort and function. On a dropped sear, the bolt lift is one of the lightest of any action I have used. I am able to take that picture because there is no tension to drop the bolt handle back down... try that with a Rem 700, Savage, Tikka, custom whatever.

When operating, I get almost a spring effect making bolt lift easier as the bolt handle hits the primary extraction ramp in the receiver. If your receiver is new, it will get much better, much lighter and much smoother with use.

Think "assisted" folding knife.... I think it is a quirk of that internal firing pin cam...

Jerry

 

[Hitzy]

From my rifles, it looks like that nub is a wear in item.. Mine did the same thing but now has not changed in close to 800rds and thousands of dry fire cycles. I keep it lubed and it works just fine.

wrt to the bolt handle, the rifle is a #### on opening design but behaves like a #### on closing wrt to bolt lift effort and function. On a dropped sear, the bolt lift is one of the lightest of any action I have used. I am able to take that picture because there is no tension to drop the bolt handle back down... try that with a Rem 700, Savage, Tikka, custom whatever.

When operating, I get almost a spring effect making bolt lift easier as the bolt handle hits the primary extraction ramp in the receiver. If your receiver is new, it will get much better, much lighter and much smoother with use.

Think "assisted" folding knife.... I think it is a quirk of that internal firing pin cam...

Jerry

OK, I see what you mean with the bolt closing, it really is in the fully cocked position in your picture, closing the bolt cams the firing pin back another 1/8" or more. Checked a bunch of my bolt rifles and they literally all do this to some degree. The 700 is minimal, Howa/Vanguard is around 1/8", Same with the Browning.
That does help explain the really shallow angle on the bolt/firing pin cam.

 

[Buster95]

At $600 Remington is definitely making more profit off the 783 then a 700 SPS no doubt about that...
One design issue I'm waiting to see if it holds up in the 783 is the alloy nub on the firing pin/cocking piece. Mine shows pretty solid peening after only a few hundred rounds. If that lets go, you have the potential for a cocking piece in the face, or AD, or both.

Alloy nub do you mean the bolt plug?

 

[Hitzy]

Alloy nub do you mean the bolt plug?

Dunno the name of it, but the piece that holds the firing pin assembly in the bolt.

 

[Mystic Precision]

OK, I see what you mean with the bolt closing, it really is in the fully cocked position in your picture, closing the bolt cams the firing pin back another 1/8" or more. Checked a bunch of my bolt rifles and they literally all do this to some degree. The 700 is minimal, Howa/Vanguard is around 1/8", Same with the Browning.
That does help explain the really shallow angle on the bolt/firing pin cam.

In that pic, the ramp on the bolt handle has just touched the camming surface on the action, so the bolt is not fully cocked.



The nubs we are talking about are part of the casting that makes up the bolt shroud... the firing spring contacts this casting.... go back "1/4" and there is a raised section. These are actually cams that make contact inside the bolt body... the surface does wear for a smooth fit to the inside of the bolt body.

I have taken the firing pin assembly out of the bolt body a few time to clean and lube. Once it breaks in, very little "gunk" is noticed in the lube. I suspect a bearing type grease would be good here???? Lithium.. or moly????

This very different geometry really helps bolt lift and cycling. Once things break in, it is very light, smooth with that really cool assist when opening the bolt.

Neat design.... hope the new pencil pushers dont screw with it.

Jerry

 

[Hitzy]

In that pic, the ramp on the bolt handle has just touched the camming surface on the action, so the bolt is not fully cocked.

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The nubs we are talking about are part of the casting that makes up the bolt shroud... the firing spring contacts this casting.... go back "1/4" and there is a raised section. These are actually cams that make contact inside the bolt body... the surface does wear for a smooth fit to the inside of the bolt body.

I have taken the firing pin assembly out of the bolt body a few time to clean and lube. Once it breaks in, very little "gunk" is noticed in the lube. I suspect a bearing type grease would be good here???? Lithium.. or moly????

This very different geometry really helps bolt lift and cycling. Once things break in, it is very light, smooth with that really cool assist when opening the bolt.

Neat design.... hope the new pencil pushers dont screw with it.

Jerry

The cocking piece has passed the camming groove and is sitting on the rear bolt ring, it's the same position as when you remove the bolt from the receiver, that's cocked...uncocked would be with the firing pin protruding from the bolt face and cocking piece at the bottom of the cam. When you close it, the sear catches the cocking piece and the bolt lugs/receiver lugs do the rest of the cocking/camming when closing the bolt, cocking piece isn't moving backwards after it contacts the sear, the bolt is moving forward. Every bolt action does it to some extent.

 

[Buster95]

In that pic, the ramp on the bolt handle has just touched the camming surface on the action, so the bolt is not fully cocked.



The nubs we are talking about are part of the casting that makes up the bolt shroud... the firing spring contacts this casting.... go back "1/4" and there is a raised section. These are actually cams that make contact inside the bolt body... the surface does wear for a smooth fit to the inside of the bolt body.

I have taken the firing pin assembly out of the bolt body a few time to clean and lube. Once it breaks in, very little "gunk" is noticed in the lube. I suspect a bearing type grease would be good here???? Lithium.. or moly????

This very different geometry really helps bolt lift and cycling. Once things break in, it is very light, smooth with that really cool assist when opening the bolt.

Neat design.... hope the new pencil pushers dont screw with it.

Jerry

Hi Jerry, I'm pretty sure I asked this to you before (email) but do you know how to remove the bolt shroud?

 

[BArmstro10]

My 783 build

I think for the money the 783 is one of the best buys for sub 600m shooting. Mine is in .223.
I can easily hold 1/2" groups out to 300m and while it does tend to open up a bit after that (and the shooter is certainly part of the issue) it's still a very accurate gun.
The only issue I have had with it - occasionally won't strip a round from the clip if I cycle the action to quickly.
All in all it's a fantastic trainer and fun to shoot gun.

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[Mystic Precision]

Hi Jerry, I'm pretty sure I asked this to you before (email) but do you know how to remove the bolt shroud?

The firing pin just unscrews from the cocking piece and you have a bunch of parts in your hands... just try not to launch the firing pin across the room... more then once

The entire shroud is a cast part... it doesn't break down further.. at least, I have no idea how to if it could.

Jerry

 

[Mystic Precision]

I think for the money the 783 is one of the best buys for sub 600m shooting. Mine is in .223.
I can easily hold 1/2" groups out to 300m and while it does tend to open up a bit after that (and the shooter is certainly part of the issue) it's still a very accurate gun.
The only issue I have had with it - occasionally won't strip a round from the clip if I cycle the action to quickly.
All in all it's a fantastic trainer and fun to shoot gun.

[/IMG]

You might find that if you open the feed lips just a little at the rear, the feeding issue is resolved. The goal is to get the rear of the cartridge just a schnick higher up. I think this is the best factory 223 mag I have used. We were just cycling rds out of it as fast as we could and it worked great.

Pity, it doesn't allow a longer OAL..... without some mods

Jerry

 

[Mystic Precision]

The cocking piece has passed the camming groove and is sitting on the rear bolt ring, it's the same position as when you remove the bolt from the receiver, that's cocked...uncocked would be with the firing pin protruding from the bolt face and cocking piece at the bottom of the cam. When you close it, the sear catches the cocking piece and the bolt lugs/receiver lugs do the rest of the cocking/camming when closing the bolt, cocking piece isn't moving backwards after it contacts the sear, the bolt is moving forward. Every bolt action does it to some extent.

I totally get what you are saying cause that is what pretty much every other bolt action does... however....



The trigger has been pulled and I have just lifted the bolt handle... see that great big gap between the bolt handle and the receiver? The bolt is not fully cammed. The bolt cannot move backwards. The lugs are still very much contacting the receiver.



Gap between bolt handle and action is gone.... Now the bolt is fully cammed and the cocking piece is seated fully at the top of the bolt body ramp. Now you can pull the bolt backwards and either cycle the rifle or remove. This is a 90deg bolt lift action...

This is quite a unique feature and makes for a really smooth and light bolt lift.

Jerry

 

[Mystic Precision]

top view with no scope in the way... primary extraction ramp on the bolt handle is just making contact with the receiver. Bolt handle is pretty much horizontal to the floor.



Here it is fully cocked with the bolt handle at the elevated position typical of a 90deg bolt lift action. You can see the bolt has moved backwards

Try to do this with any bolt rifle. Love to know if there is another that can do this.. every action I have played with over the years will drop the bolt handle back down under spring tension... except #### on closing actions, but they tend to spring open once you lift the bolt a certain distance.

Jerry

 

[SHELL SHUCKER]

OMG... that is gorgeous!!! What a fantastic set up... nice work indeed. Love to get some pics and info for my FB page.

The 700 trigger and the cost of manf will be reviewed I am sure.... but there is so much momentum that it will likely continue for quite some time. BUT the new 783s are catching shooter interest and all they have to do is run the rifle a bit to see how well it works.

It took Savage about 4, maybe 5yrs to really catch on when they restructured.... Floating bolt head, prefit barrels.. Meh!!! now look at the way this tech has taken over.

The 783 process and manf moves Remington into the leading edge and I am sure has cut down a whole lot of headaches in production vs call backs. If the new Rem applies the same process, the 700 can be improved and moved into the current levels of manf... then it really wouldn't be a huge difference. But shouldered headspaced barrels are always going to take longer and cost more... and open the door to QC issues.

Let's see how things evolve.... but the tooling involved in the 783 manf indicates to me a long term view on this product.

Jerry

Thanks for the thumbs up on my LE build Jerry. It was fun to do 'er and wish do up another one in .25-35 Win to go with it when I get all the main bits like the donor action and stocks together. I put Huber triggers on my LE's & they be nice for my use. I machined the barrel nut on the LE from C360 brass round stock & set the headspace at .002" using Winchester brass. Tis a peach to shoot with my hardcast 165 gr loads. Little things out to 200 on a calm day are in peril.

Me 783 & LE just kinda go together as far as looks go. Both wear Bushnell Elite 2-7x32 scopes. The LE wears an early Bishop stock set.
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Your most likely correct on the continuation of the 700 line for the next while, as far as being made by Remington goes. There's enough 700 clones out there to keep enthusiasts happy for the rest of the century at least. If Remington dumped the 700 right now there would be a stink from all the folks that use & like 'em for sure, but things are a changing fast in the tech sector and advertising drives the need for many. Who knows what's coming fer sure, but it's fun to speculate and dream.

PS: I use a thin film of Lucas synthetic wheel bearing grease for the internals of my bolts, works beauty. Rig ain't bad either.

 

[NAA]

You should bring 'er out to the shop for "show & tell"....

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NAA.

 

[SHELL SHUCKER]

You should bring 'er out to the shop for "show & tell"....

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NAA.

I'll be there Fri fer sure.