rifleman762
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That is a very reasonable big game cartridge standard.
Minimum caliber for big game change in Saskatchewan
- Thread starter saskgunowner101
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That is a very reasonable big game cartridge standard.
At first I agreed with you, but there is always exceptions. For instance, what Boomer suggests would eliminate the 80gr ttsx in a 243 as legal for big game, as well as any 357mag loading, even the stuff from Buffalo bore (180 gr @1400fps is around 800 ft lbs energy) and both are capable of quickly dispatching a deer assuming your range is appropriate for the cartridge.
Giving a minimum weight and energy requirement is probably the most reasonable way to do things (its how they govern what's legal for bison in BC) but even then it's certainly not perfect. For instance a decently hot 308 w/180gr pills meets the requirements, but the 308 is not a particularly good choice for such a large animal. I've seen this discussed by Ardent before, and I think he said 300wm is the absolute minimum he likes a client to shoot when guiding for bison because anything less typically leads to long tracking expeditions after the shot.
- Location
- Central AB
I think that in the end, appropriate cartridge choices requires some common sense and knowledge of the cartridges abilities and limitations. Of course this is problematic because a good many hunters have a limited grasp of ballistics etc. So the authorites try to create regulations to control the use of underpowered cartridges, which is good , albeit done clumsily. Too many variables for any regulation to completely cover all situations. Game animals deserve our respect, and shouldn't be treated as a science experiment, to see if a low powered cartridge can work. We have a list of cartridges that have a proven track record, with power to spare. No reason not to use them. And if the regs rule out a few cartridges that technically possess enough power to harvest game In specific situations, but are none the less at the lower end of the power scale, i think it is the lesser of evils.
saskgunowner101
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While I didn't ask the question, apparently someone did (again, from the fb page) and this is what was said.
"It should be noted that SACO and conservation officers were not consulted and had no input into this amendment."
So who the heck did have input or came up with it?
saskgunowner101
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Kind of amused this got moved to the hunting specific forum from general firearms discussion. I thought there might be interest in discussing the caliber changes/restrictions, and the how comes, and all that goes along with it in the general forum.
Not just a bow, a bow they made themselves out of traditional materials. That would be their real tradition and culture.
Except even if white man never took over the Americas, international trade means the natives would have guns by now... Some things seem a bit much (such as 50cal rifles for whale hunting as apposed to spears) but I see no issue with the use of standard hunting rifles.
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- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
Ahh, but the Barnes 6mm TSX is an 85 gr pill, so my recommendation prevents you from making horrible mistake. Seriously though, game animals comes in a variety of densities, and what is appropriate for a speed goat, isn't necessarily appropriate for a big bodied white tail and certainly not appropriate for elk. Unless the game departments are prepared to provide a list of not only appropriate cartridges with the hunting license, but also a list of bullets, they should reconsider this exercise before it gets out of hand.
80 gr TTSX, or 85 gr TSX available in .243”....
Both adequate for moose or elk used within their parameters.
Interesting to read the wailing and gnashing of teeth though around the possibility of someone wanting to use a different cartridge when they hunt.
Both adequate for moose or elk used within their parameters.
Interesting to read the wailing and gnashing of teeth though around the possibility of someone wanting to use a different cartridge when they hunt.
Truly. I told my friend I'd hunt White Tail with .223 if it was legal and he lost his mind. Called me dumb and said he doesn't anything to do with such a hunt...lol
Meanwhile Americans have been taking dear succesfully with AR15s for ages. Just do a YouTube search for AR15 deer hunts. But anyway, yeah, I was so surprised by that reaction. And to top it all, he says, even if you dropped them where they stood every time, you would still never convince me. Talk about a bias and a closed mind.
Meanwhile Americans have been taking dear succesfully with AR15s for ages. Just do a YouTube search for AR15 deer hunts. But anyway, yeah, I was so surprised by that reaction. And to top it all, he says, even if you dropped them where they stood every time, you would still never convince me. Talk about a bias and a closed mind.
pause for thought here gents
during big game season its common for two hunters to go out,one with a deer tag and the other with a varmint cal rifle for yotes.
now this is changed,you get pulled now with a .223 you could be called out by a CO for poaching.
this is fckd up
during big game season its common for two hunters to go out,one with a deer tag and the other with a varmint cal rifle for yotes.
now this is changed,you get pulled now with a .223 you could be called out by a CO for poaching.
this is fckd up
This is exactly correct. Solving a problem that doesn’t exist. It’s like Alberta banning spear hunting, or any of the provinces that want minimum .23 caliber for deer.
Glock4ever
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- Edmonton, AB
I hunted Whitetail with a .223 Rem for a couple of years. I wouldn't recommend this calibre. It got the job done but it definitely didn't do it with authority. I wouldn't every give anyone a hard time for using this calibre but it doesn't merit highly on my list of recommended calibres. If the shooter can handle the recoil, noise and cost of a larger calibre, I would recommend almost anything over a .223 Rem.
- Location
- Saskatchewan
Yup, this is trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist. There might be a small handful of guys out there hunting with those calibres in the province. Those who are, are likely pretty well versed on what ethical distance to use it, and its effectiveness. Personally if its done ethically I cant see a problem.
