What can your 6.5 creedmore do that my .260 can't?

Slimbo said:
By the way some people talk on here the 6.5 creedmoor should get better than 264 win mag velocity with the recoil of a 25-20. Incredible case design :dancingbanana:
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Lol right?

The only advantage over the 260 is, as mentioned, the ability to load long VLD bullets from short magazines. The 260 can load the same bullets but they take up more powder space in comparison - but the 260 a slight edge in capacity so that's pretty moot.

As others said, the CM has factory ammo and rifles aplenty. If you reload though, a 260 will do everything the CM does.
 
Eagleye said:
When I hear statements like this, I cringe. If the person who made this statement knew what type of impression he was making on knowledgeable shooters and hunters, he might be more inclined to hold his tongue.
With all due respect to the true long range hunters out there, I'll bet my socks that this guy has no idea how hard it is to consistently stay in 12" at 1000 yards. Having a 6.5 Creedmoor does not automatically make
one a 1000 yard whiz. The 260 and the CM are similar enough that the difference is negligible. Dave.
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Then there is the limitation of both from a bore size for long range hunting. At long range, projectiles are traveling slow, premium bullets like ttsx or partitions will not mushroom or penetrate as well as at higher speeds.

What is needed is a frangible bullet that breaks up with each fragment causing trauma to vital organs. Typical bullets are say A max, or Berger. The problem with both of these calibers is at 1000, they are not carrying the energy and the 264 bore is incapable of pushing large enough projectiles. Small fragments with low energy as compared to say the same projectile from a 30 or 338.

That's not even getting into the ethics of 99% of shooters being incapable of shooting accurate at game at 1000.
 
This wound just healed over and here you are ripping of the scab...

Just wait until the "fan boys" get here...
 
nowarningshot said:
Then there is the limitation of both from a bore size for long range hunting. At long range, projectiles are traveling slow, premium bullets like ttsx or partitions will not mushroom or penetrate as well as at higher speeds.

What is needed is a frangible bullet that breaks up with each fragment causing trauma to vital organs. Typical bullets are say A max, or Berger. The problem with both of these calibers is at 1000, they are not carrying the energy and the 264 bore is incapable of pushing large enough projectiles. Small fragments with low energy as compared to say the same projectile from a 30 or 338.

That's not even getting into the ethics of 99% of shooters being incapable of shooting accurate at game at 1000.
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To me, the biggest ethical consideration is time of flight. All other things being accounted for, if, between the time you pull the trigger and the time the bullet reaches the target, the animal moves, you go from a clean kill to a gut shot critter. A military sniper has an entirely different situation to deal with.
 
Both are the same basically. My 260 is about 100-125fps faster then my creed with same bullet weights. I like them both but think I like the 260 better. Next build will be a 6.5x47 Lapua or 260AI.
 
I'm the original 260 fanboy. Great cartridge, but I realize the Creedmoor is the better of the two. Loading the 140+ class bullets, and restricted to 2.8ish inch mag constraints, it's clear which is the better designed cartridge. Quite a few 260's, probably the majority, are 1:9 twist which doesn't help things

For tipping over deer with a 125gr Partition, there's no issues with the 260. For most shooting, there's no concerns. But there's also no issue across the board with the Creed. Like the Swede, the 260 can't match what the 6.5 Creedmoor offers shooters. Lots of rifle options, lots of ammo, and a good true 2.8" OAL compatible chambering
 
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I looked up some balistics (I have always been a fan of 6.5 x 55) Creedmoore does outperform the 6.5 Swede with lighter bullets; once you go 140gr + in bullets, the 6.5 Swede gives about a 100-150 fps advantage, and the co responding 200+ ft. lbs of energy. Yes, factory ammo is not easily come-by here; and there is not a great selection of rifles; but good rifles can be had. The 260 is similar; go over 140 gr. you get about 100 fps more and about 150 ft. lbs more energy... On paper...

In real life, there is not a lot of difference... so I will stick with my antique 6.5 x 55 ammo. LOL

BTW, no deer for me out at 1000 yards (on a good day I can almost see that far).
 
Meroh said:
I looked up some balistics (I have always been a fan of 6.5 x 55) Creedmoore does outperform the 6.5 Swede with lighter bullets; once you go 140gr + in bullets, the 6.5 Swede gives about a 100-150 fps advantage, and the co responding 200+ ft. lbs of energy. Yes, factory ammo is not easily come-by here; and there is not a great selection of rifles; but good rifles can be had. The 260 is similar; go over 140 gr. you get about 100 fps more and about 150 ft. lbs more energy... On paper...

In real life, there is not a lot of difference... so I will stick with my antique 6.5 x 55 ammo. LOL

BTW, no deer for me out at 1000 yards (on a good day I can almost see that far).
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BTW, at 1000 yards the bullet drop is about 290" or 24'; yes, feet... you would have to hold over about 8 deer heights above your point of impact.
 
Meroh said:
I looked up some balistics (I have always been a fan of 6.5 x 55) Creedmoore does outperform the 6.5 Swede with lighter bullets; once you go 140gr + in bullets, the 6.5 Swede gives about a 100-150 fps advantage, and the co responding 200+ ft. lbs of energy. Yes, factory ammo is not easily come-by here; and there is not a great selection of rifles; but good rifles can be had. The 260 is similar; go over 140 gr. you get about 100 fps more and about 150 ft. lbs more energy... On paper...

In real life, there is not a lot of difference... so I will stick with my antique 6.5 x 55 ammo. LOL

BTW, no deer for me out at 1000 yards (on a good day I can almost see that far).
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This thread is .260 vs 6.5 CM...
 
The difference is not in how they perform on game. But it apparently is extremely difficult to wrap heads around that. Maybe I’ll take a picture when I get home to illustrate.
 
chuck nelson said:
The difference is not in how they perform on game. But it apparently is extremely difficult to wrap heads around that. Maybe I’ll take a picture when I get home to illustrate.
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Yeeeeahhh... u make me big, culerful pitchers... show me an dem watz wat... thanx cap'n.
 
gobigorgohome said:
Another guy at the end of the table looked and me and laughed saying "your .260 has nothing on my 6.5 creedmore, I can drop deer out to 1000 yards easily!!"
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Obviously this "man" has never shoot at 1km target.
Minimum ballistic differences.
 
If I was having a rifle built as a medium weight target/long range hunter with a short action, I would want every advantage I could get. I would be using long for calibre bullets, like berger, so I would go with the creedmoor. If I was having the rifle built on a standard action, I would't go with a 260 rem or a 6.5 swede, I would go with a 6.5-284win. JMO
 
pete dobinson said:
If I was having a rifle built as a medium weight target/long range hunter with a short action, I would want every advantage I could get. I would be using long for calibre bullets, like berger, so I would go with the creedmoor.
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I agree... but I wouldn't sell a .260 for a Creedmoor expecting any significant, miraculous gains...
 
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