Antique status pistol question

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So if i had a firearm that was built in 1884, in 45 LC and was rebarreled during its life (1950's maybe 1960's)to 38 special, would it still be antique ? Could i get a letter from the rcmp confirming it is antique status ?
 
XperienceDUDE said:
So if i had a firearm that was built in 1884, in 45 LC and was rebarreled during its life (1950's maybe 1960's)to 38 special, would it still be antique ? Could i get a letter from the rcmp confirming it is antique status ?
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The current policy is that it had to be made in an antique caliber for it to currently be an antique. You can change it to another antique caliber and retain antique status but you cannot create an antique from a gun originally made in a "no go" caliber. In practical terms, it probably depends on what the registration history of the gun is; if it is on record as having been 45 LC at some time, you are out of luck. If the registration history shows it starting as 38 special, you might get lucky. Might because I think the 38 special did not come in until the 1900s and that means that you would have to prove that it was an antique caliber prior to conversion to 38 special

cheers mooncoon
 
XperienceDUDE said:
how can we get a letter from the rcmp stating its antique ? we send them pictures of the gun and markings ?
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You register it. They decide if it doesn't need to be.

If they decide it doesn't, congrats, you just changed if from one registry to a totally different one. Worth it, huh?
 
trevj said:
You register it. They decide if it doesn't need to be.

If they decide it doesn't, congrats, you just changed if from one registry to a totally different one. Worth it, huh?
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Keep in mind that the burden will be on you to prove it is an antique rather than on them to prove it is restricted or prohibited. I have de-registered a couple and failed on two more. The successful ones, I was able to demonstrate by photos that the gun was a rimfire in one case and through reference books and photos in the second case. One failure was because I could not demonstrated the date of manufacture (no info on what appears to be a proof mark) and one because policy said that it remained prohibited; the quote was "you cannot make a antique out of a 150 year old prohib"

cheers mooncoon
 
So if i provided a letter from colt archive stating the year and the caliber (antique caliber like 450 boxer or 41 long colt and year is in the 1880's) they would have to accept it as antique and send me a letter right ?
 
XperienceDUDE said:
So if i provided a letter from colt archive stating the year and the caliber (antique caliber like 450 boxer or 41 long colt and year is in the 1880's) they would have to accept it as antique and send me a letter right ?
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You'd hope, but don't expect them to do the logical thing
 
XperienceDUDE said:
So if i provided a letter from colt archive stating the year and the caliber (antique caliber like 450 boxer or 41 long colt and year is in the 1880's) they would have to accept it as antique and send me a letter right ?
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If I had that factory colt letter stating that info above ^ the last thing I would do is worry about a rcmp letter. unless your doing so to deregister it.
if its not registered just use the home made letter in the sticky in this section and keep it with the factory colt letter it has all the info on it you need.

You don't have to have a rcmp letter if the gun is antique its antique with or without the rcmp antique letter.
 
XperienceDUDE said:
So if i provided a letter from colt archive stating the year and the caliber (antique caliber like 450 boxer or 41 long colt and year is in the 1880's) they would have to accept it as antique and send me a letter right ?
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When importing I have used photo copies from from Flaydermans Guide to Antique guns and several other Antique books I own as proof of age and calibre. I have done dozens this way without any problems. But all the guns I have imported were born Antique and are still in their antique calibre. I do not get Antique status letters from the RCMP but I do carry the same paperwork i used to import the gunns as well as a copy of the current Canadian laws on Antiques. Good luck
 
dingus said:
If I had that factory colt letter stating that info above ^ the last thing I would do is worry about a rcmp letter. unless your doing so to deregister it.
if its not registered just use the home made letter in the sticky in this section and keep it with the factory colt letter it has all the info on it you need.

You don't have to have a rcmp letter if the gun is antique its antique with or without the rcmp antique letter.
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what homemade letter are you talking about, id sure like one
 
I have been going round and round with the RCMP Techs about the Remington Model 1891 (1892-1900) and Model 1900 (1901-1909) Rolling Block Pistols, regarding Antique Classification. These pistols were all assembled with frames that were only manufactured 1871-1872.

The Tech told me that they base antique classification on when the pistol was assembled and not when the frame was manufactured.

Here is the reply regarding the Model 1891: "The model 1891 was manufactured until 1900. If we cannot confirm the year of manufacture, we cannot confirm if this is an antique firearm."

I am under the impression that if the frame is considered a firearm, then when the frame was manufactured should determine antique status, not when various parts were assembled to the frame.

How would you determine how just the frame of Remington Model 1871 Rolling Block Army Pistol should be classed? Which would it be, an Antique, or a Restricted, or a Prohibited Firearm?

It appears the RCMP classifies antique firearms based on whim and not how the law is written. We should be thankful that the Firearms Act is keeping guns out of the hands of criminals.

Regards,
Powderman
 
powderman said:
I have been going round and round with the RCMP Techs about the Remington Model 1891 (1892-1900) and Model 1900 (1901-1909) Rolling Block Pistols, regarding Antique Classification. These pistols were all assembled with frames that were only manufactured 1871-1872.

The Tech told me that they base antique classification on when the pistol was assembled and not when the frame was manufactured.

Here is the reply regarding the Model 1891: "The model 1891 was manufactured until 1900. If we cannot confirm the year of manufacture, we cannot confirm if this is an antique firearm."

I am under the impression that if the frame is considered a firearm, then when the frame was manufactured should determine antique status, not when various parts were assembled to the frame.

How would you determine how just the frame of Remington Model 1871 Rolling Block Army Pistol should be classed? Which would it be, an Antique, or a Restricted, or a Prohibited Firearm?

It appears the RCMP classifies antique firearms based on whim and not how the law is written. We should be thankful that the Firearms Act is keeping guns out of the hands of criminals.

Regards,
Powderman
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Ya I know what a bunch of horse sht eh.
Same thing with solid frame Webleys the frames were all made pre 1894 or so, but they were sold and assembled well into the 1900s what they (CFC) tried to tell me is the frames were not completed (holes for screws tapped ect) till the guns were assembled that's what there sticking with so Hi Serial number RICs are not considered antique because the frames were 80% or some such crap .
Because they (CFC)read that in some book somewhere that someone wrote long ago.
Theres no real proof of that at all anywhere.
 
Hey , in the past i buy an Broomhandle with ALL the spec of an early model, (cone hammer and low serial number)

But RCMP don't want to make an antique , because the factory of mauser lost his data....

So if God of techlab say No , you are in trouble.

They want just to take their jobs to apply the law and make our life easier
 
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