STAG ARMS STAG-10 CDN 308 Non-Restricted Barrel Canada

[Brian46]

If the 30 RAR is all you need for your hunting, that's cool, but now we're comparing small frame to large frame AR. Just like you upsized to 30 RAR, the Stag 10 could be built in something like 338 Federal that stomps the 30 RAR for energy and velocity. Even basic 308 is far more capable than 30 RAR... And at the same time, the ACR and 180C aren't exactly lightweights in the realm of small framed AR's either.

A 308 loaded with same weight bullets as the 30ar has no advantage. Yes you can load a 308 with a heavier bullet, but that is not a fair comparison just like you say with large and small frame rifle.

The ACR and 180 are not AR's either. The only AR type rifle ever mass produced in 30ar was an AR10/15 hybrid from remington, so an 8lb weight is already lighter, 7lb is really light

The ACR has a quick change barrel, I can put my 450 barrel on if I want heavier bullets with more energy like your 338 example, I also get 2800fps out of my 30ar with factory ammunition, which is faster than the 338fed

 

[Brian46]

Anyways, getting off topic here, back to this new 308 and it's (hopefully) 8lb or less weight

 

[VinnyQC]

8lbs is nothing.

Everyone needs to hit the gym. Most canadian can lose more than 8lbs by eating better and doing some exercise. That way it'll be like your rifle weighs literally nothing. j/k.

 

[Epoxy7]

Depends on expectations of each value. A NR 8lb max, accurate, reliable, semi auto, 308 with an 18.5 barrel for $3000 or less is a winner in my books.

I don't see why this rifle can't check all those boxes with the appropriate tweaking.

Price would be closer to $2000 if said tweaking was done by manufacturer rather than consumer having to rely on aftermarket after purchase

You're starting with what is now the obsolete AR10/AR308 original style platform. Getting to 8 pounds isn't easy or cheap. 3K is about 1K more than what is currently offered. I don't consider that cheap. The platform you really want is the DPMS GII as you can get to 8 pounds with a medium heavy barrel and normal furniture etc, just by replacing the handguard. It's also smaller in size so it's handier. That's really what you want as a base. But... it's restricted.

The design of these rifles is really from battle rifles of old. The FN Fal for example in a lighter configuration is about 9.8 pounds. The M14 was about 9 pounds without a mag. Lighter became the thing with the 5.56 and progressed to today's CQB etc firearms. The AR10 continued to be relevant as a designated marksman rifle. Not as a battle rifle. Fully kitted out with scopes and bipods these things are weighing in the 15-16 pound range. This includes the HK that just won the contract to replace the KAC with the US. The LMT MWS used in Afghanistan is about 9.8 pounds empty with a shorter 16" barrel.

Lighter and shorter etc is better. But again trade offs. What you are asking for isn't really the strength of the platform as adapted for recent use. The newer platforms based on this older one have gone to weight and size reductions. I think your expectations are based on those and not that you are working with the old system.

Yes, you can build a light weight with parts designed specifically for that but it will as you even pointed out, cost more money. Plus it's a compromise. You won't get a good 8-8.5 hunting style Stag 10 that is also acceptable to target shooters. Weight is usually the tradeoff between accuracy and mobility/weight.

I know a lot of guys want this all purpose rifle. But keep in mind an all purpose is usually a no purpose. It won't do anything that well. Once you start specializing especially with weight reductions, the costs climb.

I'm happy with what they offer right now. I generally prefer a more DM/target orientated AR10 rifle myself. I have the Gii for a lighter weight Reece style rifle. If non restricted this would be the way to go for an AR308 semi auto. It's designed from the beginning to address those very goals. The old style isn't, unless you want to go very retro with the first ones. Ironically that very goal of super light cost Armalite the military contract when their aluminum alloy barrel blew up, which led to the M14 being accepted instead.

 

[Brian46]

You're starting with what is now the obsolete AR10/AR308 original style platform. Getting to 8 pounds isn't easy or cheap. 3K is about 1K more than what is currently offered. I don't consider that cheap. The platform you really want is the DPMS GII as you can get to 8 pounds with a medium heavy barrel and normal furniture etc, just by replacing the handguard. It's also smaller in size so it's handier. That's really what you want as a base. But... it's restricted.

The design of these rifles is really from battle rifles of old. The FN Fal for example in a lighter configuration is about 9.8 pounds. The M14 was about 9 pounds without a mag. Lighter became the thing with the 5.56 and progressed to today's CQB etc firearms. The AR10 continued to be relevant as a designated marksman rifle. Not as a battle rifle. Fully kitted out with scopes and bipods these things are weighing in the 15-16 pound range. This includes the HK that just won the contract to replace the KAC with the US. The LMT MWS used in Afghanistan is about 9.8 pounds empty with a shorter 16" barrel.

Lighter and shorter etc is better. But again trade offs. What you are asking for isn't really the strength of the platform as adapted for recent use. The newer platforms based on this older one have gone to weight and size reductions. I think your expectations are based on those and not that you are working with the old system.

Yes, you can build a light weight with parts designed specifically for that but it will as you even pointed out, cost more money. Plus it's a compromise. You won't get a good 8-8.5 hunting style Stag 10 that is also acceptable to target shooters. Weight is usually the tradeoff between accuracy and mobility/light.

I know a lot of guys want this all purpose rifle. But keep in mind an all purpose is usually a no purpose. It won't do anything that well. Once you start specializing especially with weight reductions, the costs climb.

I'm happy with what they offer right now. I generally prefer a more DM/target orientated AR10 rifle myself. I have the Gii for a lighter weight Reece style rifle. If non restricted this would be the way to go for a AR308 semi auto. It's designed from the beginning to address those very goals. The old style isn't, unless you want to go very retro with the first ones. Ironically that very goal of super light cost Armalite the military contract when their aluminum alloy barrel blew up, which let do the M14 being accepted instead.

I am not looking for a battle rifle or worried about accuracy in sustained fire situations as I am a civilian. Target shooters of these platforms already only go to the range , why it seems that every special Canadian only NR rifle is tailored to that crowd instead of the ones who would actually make use of the NR status all the time (hunters) is rather strange.

There really isn't a way around the barrel thing, need a light profile for hunters and a medium/heavy/bull for the paper punchers.

 

[Octogon]

Will the prices for .308 be posted today?

 

[Brianma65]

I am not looking for a battle rifle or worried about accuracy in sustained fire situations as I am a civilian. Target shooters of these platforms already only go to the range , why it seems that every special Canadian only NR rifle is tailored to that crowd instead of the ones who would actually make use of the NR status all the time (hunters) is rather strange.

There really isn't a way around the barrel thing, need a light prophile for hunters and a medium/heavy/bull for the paper punchers

So , you think all hunters need a 6-7 lb rifle?
I prefer the medium barrel for hunting and target shooting, neither of which are done at the range. Exclusively

 

[r34skyline]

I am not looking for a battle rifle or worried about accuracy in sustained fire situations as I am a civilian. Target shooters of these platforms already only go to the range , why it seems that every special Canadian only NR rifle is tailored to that crowd instead of the ones who would actually make use of the NR status all the time (hunters) is rather strange.

There really isn't a way around the barrel thing, need a light prophile for hunters and a medium/heavy/bull for the paper punchers

Because there is very few hunters that like this style of rifles. Go to a camp with even a more tame looking autoloader you get scoffed at. That camp is still in love with their wood stock bolt actions fairly often chambered in some obscure caliber.

If you are that hellbent on a pencil profile barrel making it as light as possible i think your best bet is a custom build with lighter barrels and bcg etc.

I'd be happy with a 8-8.5lb rifle.

Now my question is if your acr does everything you need why are you interested in this at all?

 

[caramel]

I just need an add to cart on your site and buy one in 308.

 

[Epoxy7]

I am not looking for a battle rifle or worried about accuracy in sustained fire situations as I am a civilian. Target shooters of these platforms already only go to the range , why it seems that every special Canadian only NR rifle is tailored to that crowd instead of the ones who would actually make use of the NR status all the time (hunters) is rather strange.

There really isn't a way around the barrel thing, need a light prophile for hunters and a medium/heavy/bull for the paper punchers

Because that's the use the AR308 rifle is best tailored for. I know more than a few target shooters who like to go shoot longer distances out on Crown or private land. We weren't hunting with the 50 cals as I'm sure you recall.

Plus the AR308 is unique in that it's a cost effective semi auto that can shoot up there with the tactical bolt action rifles.

What was wrong with the RFB for hunting? It's handy as heck, short and fairly light weight. It was around 8.5 pounds or a bit less with a non restricted barrel Accuracy was ok at 1.5 moa for 5 rounds or 1 moa with 3 rounds. Not great but not bad. Still within hunting accuracy.

 

[rambones]

Said and heard. Both Arms East and Stag Arms have a 'relationship' with Geissele. At the moment there isn't an available 308 HG.

Please ask them to consider releasing some of these bad boy handguards for us

Can someone photo shop a stag 10 with geissele rail

 

[Brian46]

So , you think all hunters need a 6-7 lb rifle?
I prefer the medium barrel for hunting and target shooting, neither of which are done at the range. Exclusively

No, I have said what I have and am looking for, just like what everyone else in this thread has done.

If you read through all the threads on these rifles and receivers on this forum, many have said 8lb light profile 18.5" barrel just like myself

 

[Epoxy7]

I just need an add to cart on your site and buy one in 308.

I'm on the fence right now. I really want 308 instead of 6.5. Yes I know all the advantages of 6.5. But I still consider 308 a favourite to shoot. But the 6.5 comes in the target configuration that I want. I don't see the 308 in that same configuration with the PRS stock and target barrel. If they offer the same setup in 308 then it's a done deal. Otherwise I may just go 6.5 . I'll keep the BCL 102 in 308.

 

[drift1122]

308 delivers more punch, I'd say 6.5 for target 308 for the hunt.

 

[LexInfidelis]

FDE/Black two-tone would be sweet. Fingers crossed on those Geissele handguards!

 

[Brian46]

Because there is very few hunters that like this style of rifles. Go to a camp with even a more tame looking autoloader you get scoffed at. That camp is still in love with their wood stock bolt actions fairly often chambered in some obscure caliber.

If you are that hellbent on a pencil profile barrel making it as light as possible i think your best bet is a custom build with lighter barrels and bcg etc.

I'd be happy with a 8-8.5lb rifle.

Now my question is if your acr does everything you need why are you interested in this at all?

Sounds like you need to start your own camp if people judge you by what you own/shoot. BTW, I have the fancy wood from Steyr, Sauer, etc in obscure calibers and the wood guys hate those too. Even if you buy an exact copy to their rifle they will have something to say like you copied them. If your biggest worry about hunting is what the guys at camp have to say about your rifle, its time to leave.

That is like the gov asking why you need more than one firearm. Because I can is why, just like how you can ask for what you want in hopes that it comes from factory that way rather than having to go and build your own...... That is why arms east made this thread.......for customer input

 

[Ilove12gshotguns]

Arms East,

This is my dream hunting rig, and so glad I didn't buy a BCL. If you could keep it around the 8 pound mark that would be great.

Ambi controls only cause the price to go up, as well as weight. Please keep it righty only.

A larger charging handle does make clearing stoppages a little easier then the small versions, as AR-10's can be a little nasty on double feeds.

PM me if its possible to put down some kind of payment to secure one of these as it comes out.

Chris

 

[caramel]

I'm on the fence right now. I really want 308 instead of 6.5. Yes I know all the advantages of 6.5. But I still consider 308 a favourite to shoot. But the 6.5 comes in the target configuration that I want. I don't see the 308 in that same configuration with the PRS stock and target barrel. If they offer the same setup in 308 then it's a done deal. Otherwise I may just go 6.5 . I'll keep the BCL 102 in 308.

Everybody praise how good a 6.5 CR is, i have 2 in my safe, a full custom i had made for me and a Browning X-bolt Eclipse, i tried them but always come back to my 308, for me there aint a better caliber YMMV.

 

[Brian46]

A copy of the 10s TFD available in the US with a light profile 18.5 barrel would do it for me

 

[DILLIGAF]

If you read through all the threads on these rifles and receivers on this forum, many have said 8lb light profile 18.5" barrel just like myself

My 102 build was 9lbs without optic. Didnt have much fun hunting with it either. To many snag points in the bush. But using an AR10 freely was worth it.