870 Police Magnum - First 20

the spank said:
Well two posters here have definitely gone way off track of the thread. Good job! :rolleyes:
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There is a little bit of a history here Spank. The old school hands on reloader vs the new internet reloader that is always right who probably doesn't even own a machine and if he does I would bet a LEE LOL. OH well
I think he is related to my wife however since always has to get the last word :)
My apologies
I'm just playing to get through the cold months :) plus the Op has his question answered
Cheers
 
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0faustus0 said:
I am voting for a private forum just for 3macs1 and flashman2 .... and where they can settle whatever business they have to settle.

So, anybody in favor for 3macs1 and flashman2 to take their business to a private place?
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Why don't you join us. :) Being hatched in West Virginia I will eat just about anything including............
Then again I never did have beaver fever :)
Cheers
 
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3macs1 said:
There is a little bit of a history here Spank. The old school hands on reloader vs the new internet reloader that is always right who probably doesn't even own a machine and if he does I would bet a LEE LOL. OH well
I think he is related to my wife however since always has to get the last word :)
My apologies
I'm just playing to get through the cold months :) plus the Op has his question answered
Cheers
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I just have an allergy to big dumb loudmouths that stir up nonsense for the sake of creating drama, and when they're shown to be wrong just sit back and post emojis and memes. That's all.

So far you've been consistently wrong. Like way, way dumb dumb wrong. Sorry not sorry if that bruises your ego.
 
Personally have ran a newer model 870 police magnum and have yet to run into any complication! Was entirely stripped and
Cleaned before use I may add. Have shot a variety of shot and slugs through so far , keep the faith sure everything will work itself out in the wash!
 
Hey Guys,

Quick update to the original post.

I loaded a few shells in the tube when I was bored and noticed that the last 2 shells can be difficult/impossible to load in the mag tube. Also, sometimes the last 4 shells fail to feed from the mag tube. This was caused by the seam between the mag tube and the factory +2 extension. I have shipped it to Quebec for repair under warranty. This simply will not do in a HD situation.

The failure to extract issue has also been brought up with the warranty, however I believe that this may have been caused by excessive oil as well as prolonged exposure to cold temperatures prior to firing its first 20.

I've registered for the Dynamic shotgun course at Silverdale this summer. Plan on putting some 500-700 shells through it that day :)

Updates to follow.
 
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BuckTurgidson said:
Hey Guys,

Quick update to the original post.

I loaded a few shells in the tube when I was bored and noticed that the last 2 shells can be difficult/impossible to load in the mag tube. Also, sometimes the last 4 shells fail to feed from the mag tube. This is the caused by the seam between the mag tube and the factory +2 extension. I have shipped it to Quebec for repair under warranty. This simply will not do in a HD situation.

The failure to extract issue has also been brought up with the warranty, however I believe that this may have been caused by excessive oil as well as prolonged exposure to cold temperatures prior to firing its first 20.

I've registered for the Dynamic shotgun course at Silverdale this summer. Plan on putting some 500-700 shells through it that day :)

Updates to follow.
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It is sad to hear you have to do this with a new shotgun especially a 870 police. Sounds like to are getting to the bottom of the problems however which is good.
Thanks for the update and keep us posted
Kind Regards
 
I have an 870P, and it runs great. However, like all new guns (factory new OR new/used) they get a good cleaning before using the first time. The one spot allot of guys neglect is the mag tube on pump guns. Not only can the inside of the tube be caked in nasty oil right from the factory, the spring and follower can be too. I even worked on an 870 (not an Express either) that wouldn't work with the aftermarket, "better" followers, it seemed to prefer the cheap, thin-walled orange one from Remington. AM one out of spec? Mag tube not perfectly round? I don't know, but with a good cleaning and a wipe down down with a lightly oiled rag, she ran like a top. I also worked on an Express that not only never got this initial cleaning...the owner sprayed extra oil down the mag tube, took it duck hunting in the rain a few times, never stripped it down to dry/clean-up...then wondered why it wouldn't feed reliably. lol Oil/gunk/dirt/corrosion..even grass in that mag tube. :)

Clean her up (lots of YouTube tutorials), lightly lube, put back together, and cycle the pump with authority. If you're wondering "how much" with lube~you never want it to pool anywhere..so use sparingly. Pooled oil is a magnet for dirt/dust.
 
Final update - Some time in March I shipped my 870P off to Gravel Agency in Quebec for some work under warranty. I described the problems I had to Remington and they picked up the bill (except for shipping) They shipped it back to me a few weeks later.

The work order said " Cut and polished chamber" and "Worked on Follower"

Since its return I have put 100 or so shells through it and it functions absolutely flawlessly. Unfortunately the shotgun course I was planning on taking has been cancelled. I have to wait for next year now. That should give me time to get a Vang Comp shell carrier :)
 
BuckTurgidson said:
Final update - Some time in March I shipped my 870P off to Gravel Agency in Quebec for some work under warranty. I described the problems I had to Remington and they picked up the bill (except for shipping) They shipped it back to me a few weeks later.

The work order said " Cut and polished chamber" and "Worked on Follower"

Since its return I have put 100 or so shells through it and it functions absolutely flawlessly. Unfortunately the shotgun course I was planning on taking has been cancelled. I have to wait for next year now. That should give me time to get a Vang Comp shell carrier :)
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Glad to hear it is fixed but terrible that a new police model had to be polished
All the best
 
Nestor said:
Not really that surprised. Quality of Remington products is declining...while their warranty is extending. Coincidence? Hardly.
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Well as bad as one may think they are a Police model is a totally different animal and chamber polishing is not the norm. I wonder if the barrel somehow got switched

As you can see

Here is list of differences between Remington 870 Express and Remington 870 Police. Most of the parts which are used on Remington 870 Police are easy to get and install on the Express version of a shotgun.

870 Police shotguns go thru a special 23 station check list – ranging from visual inspection, functional testing, test firing, and final inspection.
All Police shotguns are assembled in a “special build area” at the plant in Ilion, NY. This section is secured and serves only to build LE and Military shotguns, with the same factory personnel working at that assignment each shift.
All parts that enter the “special build area” are visually inspected by hand to ensure top quality and functionality.
Due to heavy recoil in buck and slug loads, all 870 Police guns have a longer magazine spring which ensures positive feed and function.
A heavier sear spring is used to generate a reliable, positive trigger pull between 5 and 8 lbs.
A heavier carrier dog spring is used to ensure when the carrier elevates the shell, it will be held there until the bolt can push it into the chamber. This ensures positive feeding when using heavier payload rounds.
Police shotguns do not have an ISS (Integrated Safety System) which is a locking mechanism on the safety of commercial shotguns. This type of locking mechanism can cause delay to an officer who needs the weapon but does not have the appropriate key. LE shotguns have the standard, proven, cross bolt safety.
The fore-end on the Express model is longer and not compatible with many police shotgun vehicle racks.
The Police shotguns utilize the heavy duty SPEEDFEED Stocks and Fore-ends.
The Express model will not allow for the addition of an extension tube without physical modification to the tube and barrel, which can nullify the warranty.
The Express model has a BEAD BLAST BLUE finish while the Police models utilize either High Luster bluing or Parkerization.
The Express model utilizes a synthetic trigger housing while the Police models use a compressed metal housing.
The Police shotgun barrel is locked down with a “ball detent” system in conjunction with the magazine cap vs. a lesser grade “synthetic magazine spring retainer” lock down as used on the Express system.
The receivers used in Police guns are “vibra honed” to smooth out rough finishes and remove burrs before parkerization or bluing.
Police shotguns use machined ejectors and extractors, as opposed to powdered metal cast which are utilized on the Express models.
 
BuckTurgidson said:
Final update - Some time in March I shipped my 870P off to Gravel Agency in Quebec for some work under warranty. I described the problems I had to Remington and they picked up the bill (except for shipping) They shipped it back to me a few weeks later.

The work order said " Cut and polished chamber" and "Worked on Follower"

Since its return I have put 100 or so shells through it and it functions absolutely flawlessly. Unfortunately the shotgun course I was planning on taking has been cancelled. I have to wait for next year now. That should give me time to get a Vang Comp shell carrier :)
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Just a question is the receiver stamped "Remington 870 Police Magnum"
Cheers
 
3macs1 said:
Well as bad as one may think they are a Police model is a totally different animal and chamber polishing is not the norm. I wonder if the barrel somehow got switched

As you can see

Here is list of differences between Remington 870 Express and Remington 870 Police. Most of the parts which are used on Remington 870 Police are easy to get and install on the Express version of a shotgun.

870 Police shotguns go thru a special 23 station check list – ranging from visual inspection, functional testing, test firing, and final inspection.
All Police shotguns are assembled in a “special build area” at the plant in Ilion, NY. This section is secured and serves only to build LE and Military shotguns, with the same factory personnel working at that assignment each shift.
All parts that enter the “special build area” are visually inspected by hand to ensure top quality and functionality.
Due to heavy recoil in buck and slug loads, all 870 Police guns have a longer magazine spring which ensures positive feed and function.
A heavier sear spring is used to generate a reliable, positive trigger pull between 5 and 8 lbs.
A heavier carrier dog spring is used to ensure when the carrier elevates the shell, it will be held there until the bolt can push it into the chamber. This ensures positive feeding when using heavier payload rounds.
Police shotguns do not have an ISS (Integrated Safety System) which is a locking mechanism on the safety of commercial shotguns. This type of locking mechanism can cause delay to an officer who needs the weapon but does not have the appropriate key. LE shotguns have the standard, proven, cross bolt safety.
The fore-end on the Express model is longer and not compatible with many police shotgun vehicle racks.
The Police shotguns utilize the heavy duty SPEEDFEED Stocks and Fore-ends.
The Express model will not allow for the addition of an extension tube without physical modification to the tube and barrel, which can nullify the warranty.
The Express model has a BEAD BLAST BLUE finish while the Police models utilize either High Luster bluing or Parkerization.
The Express model utilizes a synthetic trigger housing while the Police models use a compressed metal housing.
The Police shotgun barrel is locked down with a “ball detent” system in conjunction with the magazine cap vs. a lesser grade “synthetic magazine spring retainer” lock down as used on the Express system.
The receivers used in Police guns are “vibra honed” to smooth out rough finishes and remove burrs before parkerization or bluing.
Police shotguns use machined ejectors and extractors, as opposed to powdered metal cast which are utilized on the Express models.
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According to Remington... Sure. All the parts that are making it so special are worth together maybe $25. There is an excellent source of information on all the marketing BS from Remington. Copying and pasting isn't his specialty. He's a large Remington dealer South of the border BTW. AI&P Tactical. He's posting for years on different forums. Just an example:

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=507249
 
3macs1 said:
Just a question is the receiver stamped "Remington 870 Police Magnum"
Cheers
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Sure is

People love going back and forth on Ford Vs. Dodge type debates. Remington stands behind their product with a lifetime warranty. Law Enforcement trusts it, I can too.

 
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Same LE personnel that has no say in which equipment are they using? Or perhaps the same LE personnel that was told for years by Remington that the double feed on 870 is a non issue? Interesting theory.
 
Nestor said:
According to Remington... Sure. All the parts that are making it so special are worth together maybe $25. There is an excellent source of information on all the marketing BS from Remington. Copying and pasting isn't his specialty. He's a large Remington dealer South of the border BTW. AI&P Tactical. He's posting for years on different forums. Just an example:

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=507249
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No according to me who has visited the plant a few years ago. FORGET the parts end of it that is not the issue IMO

This is the huge difference and has not changed to my knowledge but will check since I have family still working for remington. IMO it is difficult to go though this sort of QA and not function new out of the box. On yes I also have bought boxes of 500 hulls in the past in 12ga 3" and 3 1/2" that were factory shot there so someone must be trying these guns at Remington before shipment . Prophet river took care of the hull importing for me.

870 Police shotguns go thru a special 23 station check list – ranging from visual inspection, functional testing, test firing, and final inspection.

• All Police shotguns are assembled in a “special build area” at the plant in Ilion, NY.
This section is secured and serves only to build LE and Military shotguns, with the same factory personnel working at that assignment each shift.
 
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Nestor said:
Same LE personnel that has no say in which equipment are they using? Or perhaps the same LE personnel that was told for years by Remington that the double feed on 870 is a non issue? Interesting theory.
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I have shot 870's since 1965 , a lot when I used them for skeet and trap and so far never a double feed. Not saying it doesn't happen but I wonder if the operator may play a role also
cheers
 
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