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In November of 2016 I obtained the numbers of 12.2 (full auto) and 12.3 (converted auto) owners through the access to information act. I had asked for the record back to 1978 but the RCMP could only find records from 1998 forward.

In 1998 there were 469 Canadians with 12.2 grandfathered status and by 2016 there were 301. On average there are nine less every year. Some years we lost none but occasionally there have been twenty or more.

So in 2018 we likely have 280 Canadians with the 12.2 status. I doubt many are under seventy (70).

Canadians with 12.3 status numbered 1623 in 1998 and were down to 1376 in 2016. We are losing these guys at an average rate of 13 a year. So maybe 1350 still around today.

I continue to search for a Colt manufactured Thompson but any I have located are not currently for sale and I may die before they are. Such is life.
 
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bros said:
That's what happens when we keep voting the Liberals in power......a systematic erosion of firearms rights....lets vote the current clown out of office next election!!!!!!!!!!
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IIRC Mulroney and Campbell were Conservatives and they gave us most of our current gun laws. Only when the Tories realized that C68 was a dandy club to beat the Grits with did they become only modeately pro legal firearm owner.
 
Magnum PI said:
In November of 2016 I obtained the numbers of 12.2 (full auto) and 12.3 (converted auto) owners through the access to information act. I had asked for the record back to 1978 but the RCMP could only find records from 1998 forward.

In 1998 there were 469 Canadians with 12.2 grandfathered status and by 2016 there were 301. On average there are nine less every year. Some years we lost none but occasionally there have been twenty or more.

So in 2018 we likely have 280 Canadians with the 12.2 status. I doubt many are under seventy (70).

Canadians with 12.3 status numbered 1623 in 1998 and were down to 1376 in 2016. We are losing these guys at an average rate of 13 a year. So maybe 1350 still around today.

I continue to search for a Colt manufactured Thompson but any I have located are not currently for sale and I may die before they are. Such is life.
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I've mentioned before when this topic has come up that some 12.2 full automatic collectors also have 12.3 converted automatic status. That means that the total of people in these two classes is actually somewhat smaller than your numbers (which I believe are accurate) of 280 (12.2) and 1350 (12.3) combined. So if we lose one of those collectors then the number of 12(2) and 12(3) people will each drop by one and the total of 12(2) and 12(3) will drop by 2.
 
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Lee Enfield said:
12.2 or 12.3?
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Lee Enfield,

In my particular case I can only obtain 12.2. If you, or anyone else on this forum, has a 1921 Colt you might consider selling send me a PM.

I never envisioned the converted guns ever being prohibited. Hindsight is 20/20.

When the firearms licences were first issued mine was for "class 12" which made sense as one would expect if you can own a fully automatic gun you should be good to go with a converted auto also. Not so, as a few months later, I received a revised licence with 12.2 only.

Cheers mate.
 
green said:
IIRC Mulroney and Campbell were Conservatives and they gave us most of our current gun laws. Only when the Tories realized that C68 was a dandy club to beat the Grits with did they become only modeately pro legal firearm owner.
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Absolutely correct. No politician is the gun owners friend.:sok2

They play to vote heavy urban centers where people equate guns with crime and will throw us under the bus in a heartbeat.

On the subject of FA and CA firearms, how many Seven-Elevens avoided being robbed, and how many schools and festivals were saved by not issuing licenced CA/FA owners with ATTs to take their pieces to the range? Just think of the children.:rey2
 
As the owners of FA firearms pass, can they at least sell/donate their firearms to museums? how about businesses? Can businesses get a license to own FA firearms?
 
joe6167 said:
As the owners of FA firearms pass, can they at least sell/donate their firearms to museums? how about businesses? Can businesses get a license to own FA firearms?
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Movie production companies with the proper licenses can legally purchase 12.2 and 12.3 prohibited firearms from an estate and then transfer them into their inventory. Once that is done they are no longer grandfathered 12.2 or 12.3 firearms and can only be sold between businesses.
 
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As the owners of FA firearms pass, can they at least sell/donate their firearms to museums? how about businesses? Can businesses get a license to own FA firearms?
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Yes--this applies to the others as well ( 12.3, 4,and 5's)
But as I said to more than one government employee/MP who rather smugly suggested we can sell/give them to a museum---"How many museums are there in Canada that will actually take them, given the paperwork involved as well as the increasing number of people/estates trying to get rid of them?"
 
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zupermann said:
Yes--this applies to the others as well ( 12.3, 4,and 5's)
But as I said to more than one government employee/MP who rather smugly suggested we can sell/give them to a museum---"How many museums are there in Canada that will actually take them, given the paperwork involved as well as the increasing number of people/estates trying to get rid of them?"
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In that case, what's it take to start a company that can own prohibited firearms? (And maybe that's the solution to the "problem")...
 
weimajack said:
The best way to do, it's neutralised them.

So, you can keep them, and they keep there value.
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Here's an interesting fact for everyone: In Poland, the firearms act ONLY prohibits automatic firearms that can "effect targets at a distance". What this means is that there is the possibility of owning FA firearms that have been modified to fire blanks!

Key word here is possibility. I can't yet speak to the practicalities of such things.
 
joe6167 said:
Here's an interesting fact for everyone: In Poland, the firearms act ONLY prohibits automatic firearms that can "effect targets at a distance". What this means is that there is the possibility of owning FA firearms that have been modified to fire blanks!

Key word here is possibility. I can't yet speak to the practicalities of such things.
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So can everyone one in Canada , As there not covered by the firearms laws. So far the RCMP has been avoiding this as a grey area. Although Customs will not allow you to import .
 
At one point I would like to hear from interested 12.3 licensed collectors as I have a Lanchester and a PPSh41 which I should be dealing with. I have since sold a 12.3 MP40 and MP44.
 
joe6167 said:
In that case, what's it take to start a company that can own prohibited firearms? (And maybe that's the solution to the "problem")...
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I don't quite understand.
There are dealers/distributors that have full autos as product samples I think.
But it would have to be economically feasible to buy them from people. How would these companies make money ? Police/governments only want state of the art stuff, not old guns. Joe Public can't own them or buy them. So taking/buying FA's from aging collectors won't work.
They'd have to be deactivated to get anything back as exporting them to any other country won't be allowed
This is why these people need the gov't to compensate them, or let them use their legally bought and paid for property again
 
What he is saying is you create your own company, with the certification to own FA, and then your company (you) can buy and own FA.

Making money is irrelevant.
 
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