automatic firearms

[zupermann]

What he is saying is you create your own company, with the certification to own FA, and then your company (you) can buy and own FA.

Making money is irrelevant.

Someone with deep pockets for that one for sure...If such an entity was created, I wonder if the individual/company could set up a full auto rental range like we see in places like Las Vegas--except in Canada.
Keeping full auto alive for others to experience ☺

 

[joe6167]

Someone with deep pockets for that one for sure...If such an entity was created, I wonder if the individual/company could set up a full auto rental range like we see in places like Las Vegas--except in Canada.
Keeping full auto alive for others to experience ☺

Heh, set up a franchise in every city And next to David Miller's house in Toronto, of course...

 

[Hrsplit]

I don't understand the lack of logic though . If your trustworthy enough to keep a full auto at home , why aren't u trustworthy enough to get an att to take that FA to the range ?

 

[green]

No logic, harrassement.

 

[lanshoka]

I don't understand the lack of logic though . If your trustworthy enough to keep a full auto at home , why aren't u trustworthy enough to get an att to take that FA to the range ?

I think the RCMP reasoning is that they don't want the general public (including most gun owners with shotguns and regular hunting rifles) to know that there are Canadians who are allowed to own fully automatic firearms legally. They also don't want criminals knowing who owns these guns.

I've talked about owning live machine guns in Canada to ordinary people in the past and I'm almost always NOT believed. I've even been mocked a couple of times and made out to be a deluded liar. The general public is not aware of what our gun laws are. Some even think we can't own handguns legally.

It's a subject best never discussed with anyone except other "ardent" gun collectors (probably most CGN people.)

I was a close friend of Jim Montag of London, Ontario for many years until his death from cancer in March of 2008. He ran the Mount Bridges, Stratford, and Chatham Great Lakes gun shows from the middle 1980's until late in 2007. He told me in confidence one day when we were discussing guns that he regularly saw professional gun thieves walking around the displays at his shows but could do nothing about it. They were probably talking up guns with the various sellers trying to establish who owned what guns and where they lived so that that information could later be passed on to their associates.

 

[marshall]

Maybe when hell freezes over, you are forgetting one thing, or 2, first, one of the owners would have to be licenced, 2 where are you going to shoot?, I guess if you built a range at the business and could talk a CFO into a licence for it maybe?, Can't see it happening.
a few years ago a fellow in Sk. had a FA Thompson, pass away, but don't know where his F.A.'s went.
I never bothered with 12-3 as well, why bother with C.A ha.

Someone with deep pockets for that one for sure...If such an entity was created, I wonder if the individual/company could set up a full auto rental range like we see in places like Las Vegas--except in Canada.


Keeping full auto alive for others to experience ☺

 

[highlander]

The whole purpose of these 12(?) series of permits is as a cheap form of confiscation.

As the owners of 12(?) firearms die off, the guns will eventually be turn in and destroyed.

In another generation or two, there won't be anyone out there with a 12(?) permit, and all the guns covered in these permits will have been destroyed as no one is eligible to have them.

All the 12(?) firearms will have been destroyed (at least the one's not in the possession of criminals) and it will have cost the government almost nothing to do it except time.

And it was done with little of the outrage seen by other gun control efforts.

You got to hand it to the pricks, it was a smart idea.

Don't be surprised if the government doesn't do the same to all hand guns and other classes of firearms in the future.

That's providing TruDOPE doesn't get his way with this new bill.

 

[purple]

Confiscation by creeping regulations was the agenda since the Mulroney/Campbell gun control measures over 25 yrs ago.

I recall going down to the local police station in 1992 to surrender several CAs for RCMP inspection. I went in with a friend who had a FA BREN and Lewis. We asked if the criminals had already checked in and got some nasty frowns which pretty much told us that we were the criminals.

 

[Milspectacles]

So can everyone one in Canada , As there not covered by the firearms laws. So far the RCMP has been avoiding this as a grey area. Although Customs will not allow you to import .

So would it be possible to manufacture FA’s that only take blanks locally?

 

[green]

Confiscation by creeping regulations was the agenda since the Mulroney/Campbell gun control measures over 25 yrs ago.

I recall going down to the local police station in 1992 to surrender several CAs for RCMP inspection. I went in with a friend who had a FA BREN and Lewis. We asked if the criminals had already checked in and got some nasty frowns which pretty much told us that we were the criminals.

One of Kim Campbell's , BTW a Conservative,ideas. Tied up the Ontario firearms forensic lab for months so that legitimate owners could be investigated and if possible charged.. Meanwhile real crime guns were left untested. Shows where the antis priorities are.

 

[bogusiii]

The best way to do, it's neutralised them.

So, you can keep them, and they keep there value.

True, The problem is that to get them 'neutered' they have to be welded solid. Nothing moves, whereas 'old spec' dewats at least have some measure of functionality. When the time comes 125 year old WW1 guns (full or converted auto) will need to be torched or welded to slag. It makes me cry.

 

[purple]

One of Kim Campbell's , BTW a Conservative,ideas. Tied up the Ontario firearms forensic lab for months so that legitimate owners could be investigated and if possible charged.. Meanwhile real crime guns were left untested. Shows where the antis priorities are.

As I recall my stuff was in there for nearly a year. Futile bureaucracy at its worst.

 

[lanshoka]

The whole purpose of these 12(?) series of permits is as a cheap form of confiscation.

As the owners of 12(?) firearms die off, the guns will eventually be turn in and destroyed.

In another generation or two, there won't be anyone out there with a 12(?) permit, and all the guns covered in these permits will have been destroyed as no one is eligible to have them.

All the 12(?) firearms will have been destroyed (at least the one's not in the possession of criminals) and it will have cost the government almost nothing to do it except time.

And it was done with little of the outrage seen by other gun control efforts.

You got to hand it to the pricks, it was a smart idea.

Don't be surprised if the government doesn't do the same to all hand guns and other classes of firearms in the future.

That's providing TruDOPE doesn't get his way with this new bill.

For some time now many full autos and converted autos have been purchased by a few licensed owners for the specific purpose of deactivating them so that they can be sold to the general public. They are not being destroyed. I won't mention their names here even though one of them passed away about three years ago.

It's true that the guns no longer function after deactivation so in a sense they are "destroyed" by being welded up solid but that is the only way that non grandfathered people can own them.

About 20 years ago at the Ancaster Gun Show a well known fully automatic collector named Finn Nielson had a Japanese Second World War light machine gun for sale at one of his tables. I examined the piece and assumed it was still live. It was only when Finn showed me that the action was inoperable that I realized it had been deactivated because the welds were not visible from the outside. He had done a superb job.

 

[Edandedna]

For some time now many full autos and converted autos have been purchased by a few licensed owners for the specific purpose of deactivating them so that they can be sold to the general public. They are not being destroyed. I won't mention their names here even though one of them passed away about three years ago.

It's true that the guns no longer function after deactivation so in a sense they are "destroyed" by being welded up solid but that is the only way that non grandfathered people can own them.

About 20 years ago at the Ancaster Gun Show a well known fully automatic collector named Finn Nielson had a Japanese Second World War light machine gun for sale at one of his tables. I examined the piece and assumed it was still live. It was only when Finn showed me that the action was inoperable that I realized it had been deactivated because the welds were not visible from the outside. He had done a superb job.

I have a buddy who is doing this, these guns sell super cheap at auction, leaving lots of room for profit having them deactivated, and selling. I do not know why this is not happening more. Just need a gun smith who is authorized and willing to do the work. Money to be made.

 

[highlander]

For some time now many full autos and converted autos have been purchased by a few licensed owners for the specific purpose of deactivating them so that they can be sold to the general public. They are not being destroyed. I won't mention their names here even though one of them passed away about three years ago.

It's true that the guns no longer function after deactivation so in a sense they are "destroyed" by being welded up solid but that is the only way that non grandfathered people can own them.

About 20 years ago at the Ancaster Gun Show a well known fully automatic collector named Finn Nielson had a Japanese Second World War light machine gun for sale at one of his tables. I examined the piece and assumed it was still live. It was only when Finn showed me that the action was inoperable that I realized it had been deactivated because the welds were not visible from the outside. He had done a superb job.

That's it right there; if a gun isn't operable then it's just a big heavy paperweight.

Having them deactivated is better than nothing I suppose, but having a gun that can't fire is like having a classic car with no engine.

Good for looks only, but you will always wonder what it can do on the track.