What is an H&R M14 worth?
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$1000 would be for a rough Israeli. A non-israeli with a decent stock, etc would be worth more if the bbl is ok. Maybe $1200-1400 or so?
Best bet would be to have it torn down, turn in the receiver, and sell the kit on the EE.
Best bet would be to have it torn down, turn in the receiver, and sell the kit on the EE.
I would say it all depends on the quality and condition of the parts. I personally love H&R rifles and have a few and if I had a prohib license I would offer to buy it now, but alas I was way to late to get in on that.
I agree with Clavens numbers tho. Just keep in mind that H&R produced more M14's than the other 3 by about 180,000 rifles. So as far as rarity of parts goes they would not be worth as much as a Springfield who produced the fewest.
I agree with Clavens numbers tho. Just keep in mind that H&R produced more M14's than the other 3 by about 180,000 rifles. So as far as rarity of parts goes they would not be worth as much as a Springfield who produced the fewest.
Some of those Israeli's were not so rough. Slightly under $1000 got me mostly TRW major components and parts with very little wear and a 62 dated barrel that looks shiny and pristine. I guess I was lucky with what the guys at Wolverine picked out for my order?
Fwiw .... these 1200 to 1400 dollar price tags for rifles rendered to kits is pricing of the past and in todays market is just highway robbery.
I've rendered more 12-3 rifles to parts than i care to admit and made good profit off many a cgn'er when these parts were relatively hard to get. I don't feel bad I was just keeping up with everyone else able to get and sell "unobtainium".
but in the m14 game.... there's no unobtainium anymore save for very rare stuff like vintage original wrap usgi parts , genuine E2 buttstocks and forward grips.... you get the idea.
I think going rate for parts should be on par with wolverines parts kit pricing considering IDF parts rifles were not simply rack grade m14 rifles. Every single IDF rifle was built just like we would build a rifle with stripped receiver and a pile of usgi parts to pick and choose the very best parts and fitment. So really, there is zero difference between some guys 12-3 mothballed rack grade usgi surplus rifle in parts or complete.... unless..... but highly unlikely.... it has some rare feature or parts component.
that's my take on it, based on experience..... realizing some of you have your own ideas on such things.
I've rendered more 12-3 rifles to parts than i care to admit and made good profit off many a cgn'er when these parts were relatively hard to get. I don't feel bad I was just keeping up with everyone else able to get and sell "unobtainium".
but in the m14 game.... there's no unobtainium anymore save for very rare stuff like vintage original wrap usgi parts , genuine E2 buttstocks and forward grips.... you get the idea.
I think going rate for parts should be on par with wolverines parts kit pricing considering IDF parts rifles were not simply rack grade m14 rifles. Every single IDF rifle was built just like we would build a rifle with stripped receiver and a pile of usgi parts to pick and choose the very best parts and fitment. So really, there is zero difference between some guys 12-3 mothballed rack grade usgi surplus rifle in parts or complete.... unless..... but highly unlikely.... it has some rare feature or parts component.
that's my take on it, based on experience..... realizing some of you have your own ideas on such things.
I'm not suggesting a lot of the parts weren;t serviceable, but I got a handful of their kits and most of the parts gauged a worn to well-worn. All of the stocks were altered, some were missing small parts and pins, many of the GI barrels (regular contour) gauged with a fair bit of throat erosion and all of them showed evidence of have been used for sustained full auto fire at some point (or else very very high round counts).
Many visible parts were crudely electropencilled and about half the op rod tabs I got were worn to the point of needing corrective welding.
a light use non-israeli gun that had no issues would be worth a little more money in my personal opinion.
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This is only applicable south of the 49th Parallel and then only in certain states. I was offered $US 30,000 for my fully transferable NFA registered H&R U.S. Rifle, 7.62 mm, M14. And no I did not take the offer.
which is why I won't buy IDF resale parts on the EE, the best parts are picked, the rejects , sold.
That said, some lovely guns were built with IDF parts. I've built several myself, but the ratio was about 1.5 kits per 1 complete gun built to a standard I would accept for myself.
I absolutely agree that unless I can see them in person, or detailed pics, I won't buy used IDF parts here on the EE. I have many of the gauges needed to call a part good or bad. Few people do though, and I suspect half the IDF parts being flipped are ones where the owner's gunsmith told them it was NFG.
I do have former some IDF parts on several guns though - there were some real good parts also. In my experience, the guns with heavier profile barrels were assembled later from armorer-picked parts and as a whole were in far superior condition to the kits with standard grade barrels.
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Keep the receiver or lose the certification on your RPAL.
Umm,,, 12.3,,, M-14's
To the best of my recollection, back in the mid 1980's, these were all originally IDF rifles.
I personally know the original importer from Toronto (who I will not name) who brought these and most of all the C/A rifles into Canada.
This person had to hand over the reigns as Importer due to a conflict of interest and that's all I will say on the subject.
All the C/A's that came to Canada were purchased, housed and converted in England.
At one time or another, I dam near owned one of everything that came into the country.
I spent many hours in a warehouse sitting beside a pile of C/A's I was Cherry Picking.
Back in the late 80's - early 90's, no one even cared about these.
You could not even sell a complete set for $50.00
To the best of my recollection, back in the mid 1980's, these were all originally IDF rifles.
I personally know the original importer from Toronto (who I will not name) who brought these and most of all the C/A rifles into Canada.
This person had to hand over the reigns as Importer due to a conflict of interest and that's all I will say on the subject.
All the C/A's that came to Canada were purchased, housed and converted in England.
At one time or another, I dam near owned one of everything that came into the country.
I spent many hours in a warehouse sitting beside a pile of C/A's I was Cherry Picking.
Back in the late 80's - early 90's, no one even cared about these.
You could not even sell a complete set for $50.00
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Ellwood Epps has 6 12.3 M14's for sale . Check them out for pricing . They sit a long time as 12.3's and eventually get drastically reduced.
Also if it hasn't been inspected it could take forever for a transfer. Mine only took a couple of months because it had already been inspected.
Also if it hasn't been inspected it could take forever for a transfer. Mine only took a couple of months because it had already been inspected.
exactly why i can't agree with guys who think a 12-3 m14 , neutered to semi auto and imported from israeli surplus in the 90's, is worth any more than an IDF parts kit today. Now an unneutered , non welded, all intact H&R M14, as issued , with or without selector bits would be would a hefty sum..... if it were in the USA. So there is no comparison to a legally US owned original M14 vs a canadian imported converted auto. Neither can ever cross the border as far as I understand things.
I'm not sure all m14's were Israeli, and I'm also not of the opinion that the current batch, with 30 more years of IDF use on them, are the same condition as what was around in the 1980's and 1990s.
Back in the early 90's, I had a few c/a m14's and none of them had IDF electropencil anywhere on them. They were as-issued guns with mostly correct parts. Fwiw. Maybe they didn't come from the IDF? Dunno.
Any M14 kit's value is a function of the condition of the parts it is comprised of, imho. Good parts are priced relative to well worn ones.
Back in the early 90's, I had a few c/a m14's and none of them had IDF electropencil anywhere on them. They were as-issued guns with mostly correct parts. Fwiw. Maybe they didn't come from the IDF? Dunno.
Any M14 kit's value is a function of the condition of the parts it is comprised of, imho. Good parts are priced relative to well worn ones.
Fast fwd to today, and I still would not pay $50 for an E2 set, unless it was to flip it. Yuck. Not exactly geared to tight group shooting in my experience.
they came from israel dude.
I'm curious to know how you know that the current wolverine IDF kits have "30 or more years of use" ?
The parts on my 2 were pretty much no different than any other 12-3 I've rendered to parts and like those IDF kits, a great many 12-3 rifles rendered to parts.... had parts that I deemed "not serviceable" for building an accurized match rifle.
information is great if it's accurate though.
now "some" 12-3 M14 rifles might be worth more as some rifles got imported that were in the NM configuration as far as having reamed flash hiders and NM sights. To a collector, one of those might be worth a bit more. Kinda like the TRW craze that saw 12-3 rifles containing mostly trw components selling at a higher price point as parts kits. I've paid 1200 for one pristine example of such a rifle but that is an exception to the normal 650 to 950 I typically paid for rendering these rifles to parts. I haven't bought a 12-3 for parts in 3 years now but I can only see the price going down or being equivalent to wolverine's surplus IDF kits.
