M10x Unboxing
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Those same dings on the aluminum Action Cover occurred around the ejection port on my rifle within the first 20 rounds. They were probably on my rifle before I even noticed them. I would attribute those marks on your rifle to factory test-firing, nothing more. God forbid, if you should actually get out and shoot your rifle, because I assure you that those scratches will get worse once you start pounding rounds down-range. Might as well get over it now, or return your rifle and move on with your life because you will never be satisfied...
All,
Gutinater and I conducted some "witnessed" accuracy testing of the M10X at the Genessee Range outside of Edmonton yesterday. Groups sizes were measured against 1" target squares using a 45x spotting scope from 100 yds. Micrometer measuring of group sizes and photos were both impractical due to the range being busy and pauses to check/change targets few and far between. To summarize our findings, with our test sample of 1 rifle, we found the following:
- Average group size with surplus ammo - 4"
- Average group size with commercial ammo - 3"
- Best group with commercial ammo - 2" with Federal Fusion 123 gr SP (but only when loaded and fired 1 round at a time from the magazine)
The test rifle frequently printed 4-round groups that were an inch smaller than the maximim, with a single flier opening the group up by the extra inch. No Fliers were discounted during our testing. Otherwise, we would have recorded many 3" groups with surplus and many 2" groups with commercial ammo. But those darned fliers opened up just about every group we fired!
I should note that the rifle's "practical accuracy" was excellent. This is in keeping with the smaller group sizes that we would have recorded were it not for the fliers. Off-hand shooting at steel gongs, it was a rare event to miss even the smallest 5" steel at 100m. I have noticed this phenomenon before, where a specific firearms design does not group particularly well, but tears up the range with accurate, off-hand shooting. In other words, perhaps not a terrific grouping "target rifle", but a perfectly fine "plinking rifle" suitable for an enjoyable day at the range. That is the M10X in a nutshell...
We should also note that the M10X appears to suffer from the same POI-shift as the Swissarms/SIG 550 rifles when using a bipod. The barrel is not free-floated, despite what the manufacturer says. As a result, when you "load" the forend on a bipod or a hard rest, you can expect the POI to displace upwards. Simple physics.
Reliability with the M10X was excellent, with a single stoppage occurring in well over 200 rounds fired. The stoppage was a double-feed attributable to the 5/20 P-mag that we were using.
As always, individual tastes, opinions and findings will vary. It is quite possible that the M10X will still group 2" at 100m with match ammo (if anybody can find some). However with commercial hunting ammo our findings suggest a 3 MOA rifle and with surplus fodder a 4 MOA shooter. In other words, slightly better than rack-grade AK accuracy, but not much better. A bit disappointing for a milled steel Receiver rifle, but not the end of my personal world. I bought the M10X to replace my AKMS as a cheap(er) 7.62x39mm plinking gun, not as a benchrest target rifle. In that regard I am still quite satisfied with the package as a whole. YMMV....
Those same dings on the aluminum Action Cover occurred around the ejection port on my rifle within the first 20 rounds. They were probably on my rifle before I even noticed them. I would attribute those marks on your rifle to factory test-firing, nothing more. God forbid, if you should actually get out and shoot your rifle, because I assure you that those scratches will get worse once you start pounding rounds down-range. Might as well get over it now, or return your rifle and move on with your life because you will never be satisfied...
All,
Gutinater and I conducted some "witnessed" accuracy testing of the M10X at the Genessee Range outside of Edmonton yesterday. Groups sizes were measured against 1" target squares using a 45x spotting scope from 100 yds. Micrometer measuring of group sizes and photos were both impractical due to the range being busy and pauses to check/change targets few and far between. To summarize our findings, with our test sample of 1 rifle, we found the following:
- Average group size with surplus ammo - 4"
- Average group size with commercial ammo - 3"
- Best group with commercial ammo - 2" with Federal Fusion 123 gr SP (but only when loaded and fired 1 round at a time from the magazine)
The test rifle frequently printed 4-round groups that were an inch smaller than the maximim, with a single flier opening the group up by the extra inch. No Fliers were discounted during our testing. Otherwise, we would have recorded many 3" groups with surplus and many 2" groups with commercial ammo. But those darned fliers opened up just about every group we fired!
I should note that the rifle's "practical accuracy" was excellent. This is in keeping with the smaller group sizes that we would have recorded were it not for the fliers. Off-hand shooting at steel gongs, it was a rare event to miss even the smallest 5" steel at 100m. I have noticed this phenomenon before, where a specific firearms design does not group particularly well, but tears up the range with accurate, off-hand shooting. In other words, perhaps not a terrific grouping "target rifle", but a perfectly fine "plinking rifle" suitable for an enjoyable day at the range. That is the M10X in a nutshell...
We should also note that the M10X appears to suffer from the same POI-shift as the Swissarms/SIG 550 rifles when using a bipod. The barrel is not free-floated, despite what the manufacturer says. As a result, when you "load" the forend on a bipod or a hard rest, you can expect the POI to displace upwards. Simple physics.
Reliability with the M10X was excellent, with a single stoppage occurring in well over 200 rounds fired. The stoppage was a double-feed attributable to the 5/20 P-mag that we were using.
As always, individual tastes, opinions and findings will vary. It is quite possible that the M10X will still group 2" at 100m with match ammo (if anybody can find some). However with commercial hunting ammo our findings suggest a 3 MOA rifle and with surplus fodder a 4 MOA shooter. In other words, slightly better than rack-grade AK accuracy, but not much better. A bit disappointing for a milled steel Receiver rifle, but not the end of my personal world. I bought the M10X to replace my AKMS as a cheap(er) 7.62x39mm plinking gun, not as a benchrest target rifle. In that regard I am still quite satisfied with the package as a whole. YMMV....
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Just asked , if someone received their rifle like mine, I can imagine after 200 rounds it' s look like. Your rifle don't look like mine when you received it accordingly your pics on another thread. You have the right to don't care about the condition of your toys
Just asked , if someone received their rifle like mine, I can imagine after 200 rounds it' s look like. Your rifle don't look like mine when you received it accordingly your pics on another thread. You have the right to don't care about the condition of your toys
Yes my bolt was similar in dirtiness to yours. Alresdy cleaned it so no pics of that.
I also have some ejection marks I guess from them test firing it.
And mine came in a sealed box (factory sealed tape on it) so I k ow it was brand new. Did you cut the fiber tape to open the box or was it already cut open???
Just asked , if someone received their rifle like mine, I can imagine after 200 rounds it' s look like. Your rifle don't look like mine when you received it accordingly your pics on another thread. You have the right to don't care about the condition of your toys
I completely understand. I'd be concerned too, if I didn't strongly suspect that your mystery markings are just the innocent result of the factory test-firing, likely done with the cheapest steel-cased ammo they could source. I didn't even think to look back at those older photos of my rifle to see if those marks were there. It is not that I don't care about the condition of my firearms, as anyone who knows me and has seen them would likely describe me as obsessive-compulsive about their condition! It is simply that I understand, expect and accept normal wear and tear for what it is. I do everything I can to mitigate the preventable effects of handling and shooting my firearms, so I avoid dropping them on concrete and running over them with my wheelchair. Aside from that, I don't worry about what I cannot prevent.
FWIW, here are the marks on my rifle after approximately 300 rounds of mixed steel and brass cased ammo....
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So none of your AR's, or especially swiss arms (same design) or vz, skorpions, xcr, acr etc..
Guess.i shouldn't have said almost every semi
I'm currently looking at a Colt Canada C8 that's been heavily used and not one mark on the ejection port. Slight bronze brass markings... that's all. Definitely no chipping on the finish solely from ejecting casings. My other rifles at home are the same, from what I remember. It's surprising- to me- that after a couple hundred rounds the ejection port looks chewed up, that's all.
I think you are blowing something out of proportion with the "chewed up" or "chipping". Its clearly worn away the anodizing. Not chipped away at paint (as it's not even painted).
You have an m10x?? Take a look at yours and let us all know what it looks like
You ever owned a swiss arms!?!? Cuz that get chewed up from spent shells (it's also painted)
The rifles you are referencing don't typically fire steel-cased ammo, unless you are into the budget Russian Barnaul fodder. But I digress. That is the difference at play here.
Steel cases are harder than the aluminum of the M10X Action Cover, that is all. Brass is softer than anodized aluminum and therefore only leaves scuffs on the finish. Steel-cased ammo will eventually chew up the finish on any design that sees ejecting casings contact the exterior of the Receiver. Some designs are simply tougher on themselves than others. Swissarms/SIG 550 and the FAMAE are probably the worst of the bunch....
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Famae and Swiss Arms are steel guns though, so although arguably it could be conceived as unsightly, there are no concerns from a longevity standpoint, and the potential of a soft material deforming under constant pounding.
If that port looks like that after a few dozen steel cases, what does it look like once you’ve poured 5000 rounds through it?
Does that corner at the rear get rounded off, and does it change the ejection pattern? If it did, does it matter at all?
I suspect none of it will, but only time and rounds down range will tell.
If that port looks like that after a few dozen steel cases, what does it look like once you’ve poured 5000 rounds through it?
Does that corner at the rear get rounded off, and does it change the ejection pattern? If it did, does it matter at all?
I suspect none of it will, but only time and rounds down range will tell.
