350 yard Moose/Elk Capable 14" Barreled T/C Contender Carbine in 338JDJ #2
- Thread starter Camp Cook
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You don't see the benefit of carrying something like a Barnes in the mag for a intermediate range shot that may require a less than ideal shot presentation angle and also carrying a bullet more suited to longer range shots like an ELD x where you have time to set up and wait for the ideal presentation?
If I get into a situation where I need to defend myself from a bear chances are slim that ill have time to unload my rifle and put in something specific for that purpose... If you're hunting in bear country then that fact should be factored into your ammo choice.
Imo, carrying multiple different loads is asking for a mistake. I'd rather not be concerned with which ammo is in my gun, whether my scope is zerod for that round or the other one, ect when bambi steps out of the thick stuff. Others may not have that concern, and that's ok, but personally I only carry 1 load when afield with a rifle.
Need a close range bear load, a mid range do-all load, a long range load, and a squib load for squirrel.
- Location
- Southern Vancouver Island
I've always liked the looks of them little buggers CC.
For my own uses though, the beasty would be a 15" barreled 9.3 JDJ tossing 280 gr hardcast.
Good choice of scope too.
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For my own uses though, the beasty would be a 15" barreled 9.3 JDJ tossing 280 gr hardcast.Good choice of scope too.
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WOW am I the only one that carries cheap ammo for plinking 50 338 cal 180gr Accubonds are $65 + taxes I can get 100 Hornady SST - Inter Locks = double the loads for less monies and who plinks with premium bullets?
As to the 375JDJ rounds the JFP's open up better than the 225gr JSP bullets at these slower 375 Win velocities these are my hunting loads the 225gr are my plinking loads I also load 235gr 250gr 260gr 270gr bullets for my 375JDJ's.
I also shoot bolt action rifles that are far more powerful 270 Wby - 300RUM - 375RUM to name a few so couldn't care less what a bolt action 338 Federal can do in a bolt gun.
What I did was put together the shortest legal 300 yard big game combo I can come up with as to balance these 14" barrels balance so perfectly that it is easy to keep on target and fire free hand accurately.
As to those doubting the legalities of these 14" combo's I suggest you either read my original post or call the CFC for clarification I have been at this for a long time and know for a fact what I am doing is legal.
As to legal barrel lengths I'll recap for those that don't grasp how firearms laws work in Canada.
- A long gun has to have an overall length of 26" + to be classed nonrestricted (there are a few exceptions)
- A barrel manufactured 18.5" or longer cannot be shortened shorter than 18.5"
- A barrel manufactured shorter than 18.5" can be installed on a long gun as long as the overall length is greater than 26"
- A barrel manufactured shorter than 18.5" is classed as restricted it can be shortened as short as you want but it can only be installed on a long gun if the overall length of the long gun is over 26"
As to the 375JDJ rounds the JFP's open up better than the 225gr JSP bullets at these slower 375 Win velocities these are my hunting loads the 225gr are my plinking loads I also load 235gr 250gr 260gr 270gr bullets for my 375JDJ's.
I also shoot bolt action rifles that are far more powerful 270 Wby - 300RUM - 375RUM to name a few so couldn't care less what a bolt action 338 Federal can do in a bolt gun.
What I did was put together the shortest legal 300 yard big game combo I can come up with as to balance these 14" barrels balance so perfectly that it is easy to keep on target and fire free hand accurately.
As to those doubting the legalities of these 14" combo's I suggest you either read my original post or call the CFC for clarification I have been at this for a long time and know for a fact what I am doing is legal.
As to legal barrel lengths I'll recap for those that don't grasp how firearms laws work in Canada.
- A long gun has to have an overall length of 26" + to be classed nonrestricted (there are a few exceptions)
- A barrel manufactured 18.5" or longer cannot be shortened shorter than 18.5"
- A barrel manufactured shorter than 18.5" can be installed on a long gun as long as the overall length is greater than 26"
- A barrel manufactured shorter than 18.5" is classed as restricted it can be shortened as short as you want but it can only be installed on a long gun if the overall length of the long gun is over 26"
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elimsprint
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Kelowna, BC
Sorry CC but so much wrong here
- A long gun has to have a barrel over 26" overall length to be classed nonrestricted (there are a few exceptions)
Not true, use Mares Legs as a prime example. They are not exeptions, they are the facts/rules. If a gun does not fit into the restricted or prohibited rules it is non-restricted. If you put a 10" "factory" barrel on a "factory" stock and action, even if it is under 26" OAL it is non-restricted as it does not fit any of the descriptions of restricted or prohibited. If you put it on a Choate folder or collapsible stock and it was under 26" OAL it would be prohibited unless the receiver was registered restricted and then it would be restricted. That is because it got that way buy folding or collapsing, no-no's under the rules for restricted/prohibited.
- A barrel manufactured 18.5" or longer cannot be shortened shorter than 18.5"
Actually it's 18" unless the barrel is for a semi-auto centre-fire but most gunsmiths won't go below 18.5".
- A barrel manufactured shorter than 18.5" can be installed on a long gun as long as the overall length is greater than 26"
See explanation one. It is not semi auto, It did not get shorter than 26" by cutting, modifying ( bolting together "factory" parts is not considered "modifying"), collapsing or folding so is non restricted.
- A barrel manufactured shorter than 18.5" is classed as restricted it can be shortened as short as you want but it can only be installed on a long gun if the overall length of the long gun is over 26"
As fraserdw points out, though somewhat incorrectly, barrels are not restricted due to length, barrels have no classification. If I have a 6" AR barrel it is just a metal tube, it is not registered or restricted or for that matter prohibited. If I put it on a non restricted action it would be prohibited and if installed on a registered restricted action it would be restricted. If I cut down an under 18" factory barrel and put it on a non restricted Contender receiver and that gun was under 26" it would be prohibited. If it was installed on a restricted receiver it would just be restricted. If I had a "factory" barrel made in the same length and put it on a non restricted receiver and it was under 26" OAL it would be non-restricted as it didn't get to that OAL by any of the no-no's in the regs. My 10" factory 44Mag barrel made my Contender 23.8" OAL and it was non-restricted. If a gun doesn't fit any of the restricted or prohibited rules it is deemed non-restricted unless otherwise covered in the CCC regulations, period.
.http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/faq/index-eng.htm#a3
Restricted firearms include:
handguns that are not prohibited;
semi-automatic, centre-fire rifles and shotguns with a barrel shorter than 470 mm;
rifles and shotguns that can be fired when their overall length has been reduced by folding, telescoping or other means to less than 660 mm; and
firearms restricted by Criminal Code Regulations.
Prohibited firearms include:
handguns with a barrel length of 105 mm or less and handguns that discharge .25 or .32 calibre ammunition, except for a few specific ones used in International Shooting Union competitions;
rifles and shotguns that have been altered by sawing or other means so that their barrel length is less than 457 mm or their overall length is less than 660 mm;
full automatics;
converted automatics, namely full automatics that have been altered so that they fire only one projectile when the trigger is squeezed; and
firearms prohibited by Criminal Code Regulations
- A long gun has to have a barrel over 26" overall length to be classed nonrestricted (there are a few exceptions)
Not true, use Mares Legs as a prime example. They are not exeptions, they are the facts/rules. If a gun does not fit into the restricted or prohibited rules it is non-restricted. If you put a 10" "factory" barrel on a "factory" stock and action, even if it is under 26" OAL it is non-restricted as it does not fit any of the descriptions of restricted or prohibited. If you put it on a Choate folder or collapsible stock and it was under 26" OAL it would be prohibited unless the receiver was registered restricted and then it would be restricted. That is because it got that way buy folding or collapsing, no-no's under the rules for restricted/prohibited.
- A barrel manufactured 18.5" or longer cannot be shortened shorter than 18.5"
Actually it's 18" unless the barrel is for a semi-auto centre-fire but most gunsmiths won't go below 18.5".
- A barrel manufactured shorter than 18.5" can be installed on a long gun as long as the overall length is greater than 26"
See explanation one. It is not semi auto, It did not get shorter than 26" by cutting, modifying ( bolting together "factory" parts is not considered "modifying"), collapsing or folding so is non restricted.
- A barrel manufactured shorter than 18.5" is classed as restricted it can be shortened as short as you want but it can only be installed on a long gun if the overall length of the long gun is over 26"
As fraserdw points out, though somewhat incorrectly, barrels are not restricted due to length, barrels have no classification. If I have a 6" AR barrel it is just a metal tube, it is not registered or restricted or for that matter prohibited. If I put it on a non restricted action it would be prohibited and if installed on a registered restricted action it would be restricted. If I cut down an under 18" factory barrel and put it on a non restricted Contender receiver and that gun was under 26" it would be prohibited. If it was installed on a restricted receiver it would just be restricted. If I had a "factory" barrel made in the same length and put it on a non restricted receiver and it was under 26" OAL it would be non-restricted as it didn't get to that OAL by any of the no-no's in the regs. My 10" factory 44Mag barrel made my Contender 23.8" OAL and it was non-restricted. If a gun doesn't fit any of the restricted or prohibited rules it is deemed non-restricted unless otherwise covered in the CCC regulations, period.
.http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/faq/index-eng.htm#a3
Restricted firearms include:
handguns that are not prohibited;
semi-automatic, centre-fire rifles and shotguns with a barrel shorter than 470 mm;
rifles and shotguns that can be fired when their overall length has been reduced by folding, telescoping or other means to less than 660 mm; and
firearms restricted by Criminal Code Regulations.
Prohibited firearms include:
handguns with a barrel length of 105 mm or less and handguns that discharge .25 or .32 calibre ammunition, except for a few specific ones used in International Shooting Union competitions;
rifles and shotguns that have been altered by sawing or other means so that their barrel length is less than 457 mm or their overall length is less than 660 mm;
full automatics;
converted automatics, namely full automatics that have been altered so that they fire only one projectile when the trigger is squeezed; and
firearms prohibited by Criminal Code Regulations
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Where does the law say you can cut a barrel if its manufactured under 18"?
The only thing I see is
Prohib :
rifles and shotguns that have been altered by sawing or other means so that their barrel length is less than 457 mm or their overall length is less than 660 mm;
Therefore, my interpretation is if it has been cut to less than 457mm (18"ish) the firearm is prohib.
A cut barrel cannot make a gun R unless it's between 18 and 18.5" on a semi (which is a pretty particular case, and it's not the barrel that is restricted its still just a hunk of unrestricted metal). If you cut it to under 18" the gun (not the barrel, the barrel is still nothing) becomes prohib. Above 18.5" its NR, or 18" for anything not a semi.
This is all governed by the classification system. I am unaware of any laws that make barrels themselves restricted or prohibited (except potentially handgun barrels under the legal length), they are unregulated. Firearms become prohib if a barrel that has been cut (not manufactured) to under 18' is installed, but the barrel itself has no classification.
OP, I have zero issues with your setup. Assuming they're manufactured to that length they're perfectly legal - and they look like some mighty fun guns! However, I think your interpretation of how laws work with regards to barrels is incorrect, and I'm just trying to get things straightened out so nobody does something illegal without intending it...
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This is what happens when bureaucrats write firearms legislation. I lost count many years ago of how many seasoned, reasonable folks who have misinterpreted the mess of legislation we've all had to try to comply with.
As long as you can buy hacksaw blades at the hardware store there is no logical reason for barrel length laws period.
Damn this forum, I think I NEED a TC Contender now!
As long as you can buy hacksaw blades at the hardware store there is no logical reason for barrel length laws period.
Damn this forum, I think I NEED a TC Contender now!
- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
Back in the '80s I was intrigued by the Contender concept, and by the mid '90s considered a Contender with a 6.5 TCU barrel as the platform for a nifty survival gun; there used to be a folding pistol grip stock available for it, although I don't recall who the manufacturer was, maybe Choate. But when I finally got to handle a Contender, I was quickly disillusioned, particularly for the application I had in mind. What I objected to was the feature that once cocked, if the hammer is lowered, the action must be fully opened before the hammer can be cocked again. I think about hunting scenarios where you have a shot lined up, then the target moves behind cover, so you would lower the hammer, and move to a better position, or simply wait for your target to emerge from cover, but you now have to break the stupid action, to re-#### the hammer, with all it's associated pops and clicks!!??
So I'm wondering if the new versions have retained that feature. I fail to see the benefit if that feature has been retained, and there's plenty of downside. The ejector pops the loaded round against your hand before you click the gun closed again, then another click as you again #### the hammer. By that time every critter within a quarter mile knows what you're up to, and your target is long gone. Now with a single action revolver, I can safely move from spot to spot with the cocked gun held in my support hand with my thumb placed between the cocked hammer and the frame, with my fingers wrapped around the trigger guard, but the Contender's profile doesn't adapt to that technique very well.
So I'm wondering if the new versions have retained that feature. I fail to see the benefit if that feature has been retained, and there's plenty of downside. The ejector pops the loaded round against your hand before you click the gun closed again, then another click as you again #### the hammer. By that time every critter within a quarter mile knows what you're up to, and your target is long gone. Now with a single action revolver, I can safely move from spot to spot with the cocked gun held in my support hand with my thumb placed between the cocked hammer and the frame, with my fingers wrapped around the trigger guard, but the Contender's profile doesn't adapt to that technique very well.
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conor-90 their working great...
I have the 210gr Partitions loaded and saved not wasting them there were 19 200gr Hornady Interlocks samples of them are the 4 bullets at the rear on the stock they are doing appr 2300fps and are my plinking loads I'll use up the Speer 200gr bullets next.
I'll eventually use everything that you sent.
Thanks again
Boomer the newer G2 frame is able to be recocked like the Encore/Prohunter frames without opening the action issue I have with them is the trigger guard is a lot smaller making it harder to get a gloved finger in onto the trigger.
I have no issues with the original Contender frames having to open/close the action to recock the hammer due to the design I trust the safety on the Contender hammers just flip the safety on and the pins move so there is no way a firing pin can be touch by the hammer when the safety is on it to safe there is no sound and absolutely no way a round can be fired.
With bolt guns I mostly hunt with a round in the chamber with the safety on I do the same with my Contenders/G2's I lower the hammer to 1/2 #### on lever guns.
I have the 210gr Partitions loaded and saved not wasting them there were 19 200gr Hornady Interlocks samples of them are the 4 bullets at the rear on the stock they are doing appr 2300fps and are my plinking loads I'll use up the Speer 200gr bullets next.
I'll eventually use everything that you sent.
Thanks again
Boomer the newer G2 frame is able to be recocked like the Encore/Prohunter frames without opening the action issue I have with them is the trigger guard is a lot smaller making it harder to get a gloved finger in onto the trigger.
I have no issues with the original Contender frames having to open/close the action to recock the hammer due to the design I trust the safety on the Contender hammers just flip the safety on and the pins move so there is no way a firing pin can be touch by the hammer when the safety is on it to safe there is no sound and absolutely no way a round can be fired.
With bolt guns I mostly hunt with a round in the chamber with the safety on I do the same with my Contenders/G2's I lower the hammer to 1/2 #### on lever guns.
