Tom Bostic G36 (T36)

Somebody has to take the plunge and be the first to submit a receiver or finished rifle to the lab for classification. Based on what happened with the HK 243 (civilian G36) already being declared prohib by the lab, I wouldn't be overly hopeful. Furthermore, seeking a new or "child" FRT entry for Bostic's receiver could trigger a re-evaluation of the existing FRT for the handful of semi-auto G36s floating around in Canada, royally annoying their owners if a prohibition is the outcome. The "reward" in this case is probably not worth the risk of a blanket prohibition.

Polskadude is the resident G36 expert on here, so I will let him chime in with more detail. The bottom line is that when this very same possibility was raised several months ago, it was explained in no uncertain terms to me why this might be a very bad idea. FWIW....
 
I have to disagree sir. Instead of a re-evaluation they can use the existing g36 frt and sell it as one. Especially if Hk gives them a license or doesn't sue tom bostic
 
Bartok5 said:
Somebody has to take the plunge and be the first to submit a receiver or finished rifle to the lab for classification. Based on what happened with the HK 243 (civilian G36) already being declared prohib by the lab, I wouldn't be overly hopeful. Furthermore, seeking a new or "child" FRT entry for Bostic's receiver could trigger a re-evaluation of the existing FRT for the handful of semi-auto G36s floating around in Canada, royally annoying their owners if a prohibition is the outcome. The "reward" in this case is probably not worth the risk of a blanket prohibition.

Polskadude is the resident G36 expert on here, so I will let him chime in with more detail. The bottom line is that when this very same possibility was raised several months ago, it was explained in no uncertain terms to me why this might be a very bad idea. FWIW....
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I have to agree, I have much the same concerns. The 243 was in HK's words supposed to be more difficult to make FA than a standard SA G36, so it should have been a slam dunk for it to be NR here. I am really suprised that the RCMP didn't do a re-evaluation when they had the 243 on the table beside it to compare notes against. Probably the only reason that didn't happen is due to the extremely limited number in circulation of private collectors, and insane prices which already keep the G36 out of reach of most individuals.
 
I was extremely hopeful when I seen a post on HKPro about Tom Bostic doing this and made the mistake of assuming since the G36 was good to go so was this. Hope for the best, Expect the worst.
 
Patents are expired and the G36 platform is open for copying, just like the UMP. (Look up Omega Gideon Shadow)

US company called GSG9 have tooled up the entire rifle in a US facility and are pumping out parts for the American market.

They make 2 receivers, the T36 in semi auto and a G36 clone capable of full auto fire (for LE ONLY)

The G36 clone is for LE/Military contracts which GSG9 already have in place. Its the closest thing to our non restricted G36, but in the USA these are considered machine guns and the state department will not allow export. Not an option.

The T36 is intended to be semi auto only, using the SL8 bolt carrier, and a modified trigger group. Kind of a hybrid. Would need to be presented to the RCMP, followed by a sample, and ~3 year wait.

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Here are the hurtles.

Tommy is not registered with the state department for export. Its possible to get registered, but that takes money. Without a very good chance of a non restricted classification, no one is going to spend the money.

The T36 is intended to be semi auto, but anything can be made to shoot full auto, we don't know how far the RCMP are willing to go. We know they MACHINED the HK243 and swapped the trigger group to make it shoot full auto. If they do similar work to the T36, it will shoot full auto. Its one of the draw backs of being related to a modular family of machine guns. SL8 can also be made to shoot full auto, at the time of classification, they didn't go to that extreme.

Comparing it to the G36 would not be favorable, the G36 platform would not pass the FRT evaluation process today. From my understanding, the process has changed with the addition of precedent law stating "cannot be easily convertible to full auto". That part was not in the firearms act, but was adopted from case law. The G36 was classified before that. (I could be wrong here, I only have word of mouth information)

Lastly, this could trigger a re-evaluation of the G36, most likely making it prohib. Those individuals who spent $10,000+ on a real G36 would not be very happy.

Kind of a delicate situation, which also involves financial investment and time.

I will get more info from Tommy once he's caught up on his T36 rifle presale. He's a very busy man right now.
 
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r34skyline said:
I have to disagree sir. Instead of a re-evaluation they can use the existing g36 frt and sell it as one. Especially if Hk gives them a license or doesn't sue tom bostic
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You cannot have the "T36" fall under the existing G36 FRT entry, as it is clearly not the exact same "firearm" as the latter. It is a T36, with as yet undetermined design aspects which may or may not permit the inclusion of genuine G36 select-fire components. That is precisely what the lab would want to confirm through examination of a T36 Receiver or a finished T36 rifle.

HK will not grant Tom Bostic a license, nor will they sue him. The patents have now expired on the G36, so the design is no longer solely HK's. This is the reason that the US company GSG9 is able to produce American made G36 parts currently for sale on the HKParts.net website.
 
Listen to me here. Bad idea to ever invoke G36E semi FRT.

I had one and sold it 15 years ago. I know what they are.

You don't want to be "that guy".
 
klego said:
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I dont understand the point of "ibtl" is it just a way to boost posts?

Anyway, I built a little G36 clone out of a SL8, I enjoyed it a lot and one of these receivers would be a lot better for a build. (instead of using the stock block) sadly we have to bow down to our overseers I guess lol
 
JasonGTA said:
I dont understand the point of "ibtl" is it just a way to boost posts?

Anyway, I built a little G36 clone out of a SL8, I enjoyed it a lot and one of these receivers would be a lot better for a build. (instead of using the stock block) sadly we have to bow down to our overseers I guess lol
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It's an old school forum joke, don't panic :p
 
Yeah. Going with the new info I'm ok with a thread delete. Feel free to nuke this one out of existance mods or admins. I see nothing here. Hey so croatia beat england at soccer i hear... that was something right?
 
Now only if it can only use say an AR trigger pack ( think timney, Triggertech). Then that maybe a better outcome.

But yeah, Crotia beat England. What the hell.....
 
Bartok5 said:
You cannot have the "T36" fall under the existing G36 FRT entry, as it is clearly not the exact same "firearm" as the latter. It is a T36, with as yet undetermined design aspects which may or may not permit the inclusion of genuine G36 select-fire components. That is precisely what the lab would want to confirm through examination of a T36 Receiver or a finished T36 rifle.

HK will not grant Tom Bostic a license, nor will they sue him. The patents have now expired on the G36, so the design is no longer solely HK's. This is the reason that the US company GSG9 is able to produce American made G36 parts currently for sale on the HKParts.net website.
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except you can't get stuff from hkparts.net
 
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