Advice needed on EE transaction.

sailor723 said:
"Descriptions of all items must be factual. Items that have been altered from original factory condition or/and modified by any party other than the original factory must be disclosed. All pictures posted must be the original pictures of the items owned by the sellers."

Well, no mods on this gun....all parts are factory correct/OEM. My ad stated "occupation 3 lever Radom, slot for shoulder stock, E block serial number" all factually correct statements.

It's interesting to see the range of opinions....obviously not a clear cut situation.

In the interests of fairplay I have offered the buyer a refund.

Thanks for all your responses
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I have been on the other end couple times but slightly different, condition of items was stated different than what I found when I received the item. Sellers were understanding and refunded my money. I was out of shipping charge back to them but meh it’s part of buying used, you win sometimes and you loose sometimes. No need for negative feedback. Negative feedback IMO is only warranted when seller refuses to take responsibility.
 
OP I think you’re doing the right thing for both the buyer and your own reputation on here by refunding his money. I personally think the buyer should have asked as Milsurp to me implies that it may not be entirely matching (if you know anything about how these things work- plenty of guns get reassembled and numbers matching is sort of rare).
 
with that type of thinking, there would be a lot of pissed off customers
Online or face to face ,I try to be honest with people, a non match gun, crappy barrel, people would want to know about that. Don't matter how old it is.
But in this case the customer also should have checked this .

BlackPowderBurner said:
Caveat emptor. It is not your job as a seller to force due diligence. If matching numbers were such a big deal to your buyer, he should have inquired to be sure.
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sailor723 said:
"Descriptions of all items must be factual. Items that have been altered from original factory condition or/and modified by any party other than the original factory must be disclosed. All pictures posted must be the original pictures of the items owned by the sellers."

Well, no mods on this gun....all parts are factory correct/OEM. My ad stated "occupation 3 lever Radom, slot for shoulder stock, E block serial number" all factually correct statements.

It's interesting to see the range of opinions....obviously not a clear cut situation.

In the interests of fairplay I have offered the buyer a refund.

Thanks for all your responses
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I think you choose the high road solution, kudos. Return shipping should be on the buyer though, a small price to pay to learn due diligence in future.
 
WRH said:
OP I think you’re doing the right thing for both the buyer and your own reputation on here by refunding his money. I personally think the buyer should have asked as Milsurp to me implies that it may not be entirely matching (if you know anything about how these things work- plenty of guns get reassembled and numbers matching is sort of rare).
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Yeah, it's interesting that the Frame is E40xx and the internal number is E04xx. I suspect some armourer somewhere got the numbers transposed.
 
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Well I guess we better know the entire history of the gun before selling it in that case, might be tough in the case of 70+ year firearms :)
 
I've got to side with the seller on this one.

I'm no milsurp guy so I wouldn't have a clue regarding matching numbers. I wouldn't expect to include that in an ad if I came into possession of a milsurp rifle and listed it for sale.

If you're a buyer, you can't expect others to be as informed as you and as such, you should do your due diligence and ask all the necessary questions. The buyer made an assumption, not an informed purchased, therefore the buyer assumes the risks associated.
 
sailor723 said:
Yeah, it's interesting that the Frame is E40xx and the internal number is E04xx. I suspect some armourer somewhere got the numbers transposed.
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The description in the discussion forum mentions the barrel and slide match, but are different from the frame. Numbers are in the same range. Sounds as if the top half was one gun, frame another. Probably there was another similar pistol, only in reverse.
Saw an Inglis 7.92 Bren with a similar situation. Upper and barrel matched, lower assembly was just a few digits out. Test fired, cleaned and mixed up? Who knows? Not the same as a mixmaster gun assembled from parts.
 
onetwentyish said:
Honestly if its something of importance to the buyer and there was no mention in the ad, the onus would be on them to inquire. You did not mis-lead or mis-represent the item. The buyer needs to use this as lesson for future purchases. I have made the same mistake as the buyer previously and just moved on and haven't made that mistake again. Haha

Edit: I am suprised about the amount of folks that think they dont need to do their homework when buying firearms. If a specific isn't listed, ask a question, dont assume!!!
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This.

Most military surplus I have seen is mismatched. If it was important to the buyer, he should have enquired.
 
tiriaq said:
The description in the discussion forum mentions the barrel and slide match, but are different from the frame. Numbers are in the same range. Sounds as if the top half was one gun, frame another. Probably there was another similar pistol, only in reverse.
Saw an Inglis 7.92 Bren with a similar situation. Upper and barrel matched, lower assembly was just a few digits out. Test fired, cleaned and mixed up? Who knows? Not the same as a mixmaster gun assembled from parts.
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Yes, barrel and slide numbers match. Not sure if any other parts on these guns are numbered. I don't think so but nothing the Germans did would surprise me. I have a Luger that has numbers everywhere!

Losing the war and they're busy making sure every little part is numbered and the gun is covered with inspection stamps. ;)
 
marshall said:
with that type of thinking, there would be a lot of pissed off customers
Online or face to face ,I try to be honest with people, a non match gun, crappy barrel, people would want to know about that. Don't matter how old it is.
But in this case the customer also should have checked this .
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I'm looking at this as someone who has to ask lots of obvious questions from EE posters all the time. People often don't post bore condition, matching numbers, cracks in the stock etc, etc, etc.
This is information I deem to be a determining factor in a potential purchase. Someone who does not find it relevant information would likely not ask. Why should I be sympathetic with someone who doesn't put the same effort into being sure of a purchase before pulling the trigger?

Is it the duty of OP to offer a refund? No. Is it a nice gesture to a buyer who needs to learn how to play the game? Yes.
 
I think both party are at fault in this, buyer should have asked. Question are free, ask alot before spending your hard earned money and never assume!

But as a seller you should have mentioned it was a mismatch. Same thing as the buyer never assume! And by simply adding the word "serial number do not match" to the ad, it would have saved you alot of hassle.
Offering a refund IMO was the way to go, that will be a lesson for both individual
 
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Grey area for sure. You did nothing wrong but are taking the high ground offering a refund.

These types of transactions are a shared responsibility. Buyer needs to be aware and ask, and seller needs to be transparent where appropriate. Sometimes accommodations are required but it builds a better community.
 
The Enfield community for the most part has made it a common practice to indicate whether the numbers are matching or not regardless if they are asked. Not a big deal and also not a bad practice. Just saying...
 
I guess I can see it from both sides, but as a buyer I would ask, and as a seller I would include it in the ad.

How was the price compared to similar firearms? A good example might be a Enfield #5. If you saw one for sale on the EE priced at $300 (normal pricing being $500-600 for example), would you ask if it was matching? I sure would.

Were you priced at matching serial # condition etc, or a fair bit below?
 
saskgunowner101 said:
I guess I can see it from both sides, but as a buyer I would ask, and as a seller I would include it in the ad.

How was the price compared to similar firearms? A good example might be a Enfield #5. If you saw one for sale on the EE priced at $300 (normal pricing being $500-600 for example), would you ask if it was matching? I sure would.

Were you priced at matching serial # condition etc, or a fair bit below?
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I'd say a fair bit below. My ask was $380 below the one I saw sell at auction last month ($1380 plus tax and shipping......and no tax or shipping on mine). The auction listing didn't specify numbers matching so I'm not sure but I suspect so. I say that because the auction gun was an H block 3 lever with a cracked grip and in poorer cosmetic condition than mine but still attracted a lot of bidding.
 
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