The legal side of changing calibers in the same pistol

shawn said:
LOL

You're not as informed as you think you are

Last time I checked you cant fire any shot, bullet or other projectile from a slide. Not to mention as per the CCC and firearms act you require a PAL to buy a firearm but some how you magically don't require one to buy a slide. Kind blows you BS out of the water don't you think?


Shawn
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...and you would be wrong as there are firearms where the slide/barrel assembly is capable of being fired without a frame and it would not be some jury rigged assembly either. Its as simple as removing the top half and no other alterations or tool required to fire it.
 
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Juster said:
Of course, if you install neither barrel for 30 days you could phone in and ask for a new reg cert for null caliber.
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A very interesting observation. Removing a barrel for thirty days certainly would meet the standard for modification. I wonder if anyone has tried this before. Im trying to think if there would any benefits at all in having registered restricteds without calibers. Well other then barrel swapping at the range.
 
#1bcshooter said:
9mm barrel in a 40 s&w slide ? (case extraction?)
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If you mean, Will it work, answer is Yes. Works just fine. You just cant do it the other way around. The 9mm will function/work just fine in a 40. set up. Even the magz will work just fine in Most circumstances. & to go a step further, I have 'used' a Regular Gen 4, 9MM Barrel, in my Gen 3 G22 {40.cal} just fine/perfect, no issue. BUT, you will get a bunch of 'nay sayer' experts saying It has to Only be a Conversion barrel to work. & I also get Gen 4 will Not work in a Gen 3 yada yada- but it does. Yes, the 9mm conversion barrels are very slightly larger circumference, as the 40. slide is to accommodate the 40. barrel. but the size difference is negligible, it's Not a seriously sloppy' fit at all dropping a non-conversion 9mm barrel in the .40! & with no apparent function or accuracy issue experienced after 100's of rounds.
 
There are a number of posts here that contain , what I am pretty sure , is incorrect information.

1. A slide may have a serial number on it but this is an option, usually to keep matching gun parts together.
A slide can be blank. There is no law that says that a slide has to have a serial number.

2. The ownership slip does not have the calibre on it. The old green slips did but not the current ones.
Obviously though the calibre is on file .

There are some other mistakes but these really come to my mind.
 
My gun only has the serial on the frame. Not the slide or barrel. It's not a Glock. Glocks have it in three places but that's not necessary under Canadian law.
 
Light Infantry said:
...and you would be wrong as there are firearms where the slide/barrel assembly is capable of being fired without a frame and it would not be some jury rigged assembly either. Its as simple as removing the top half and no other alterations or tool required to fire it.
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well first, if it doesnt have a receiver it doesnt meet the definition of a firearm. Any barrel on its own with a hammer is usually sufficient to fire a shot, but alas to be a firearm there must be a receiver.
Also partially disassembled firearms meet the readily convertible test and therefore simple dissassembly doesnt change the fact it is still treated as a legal firearm.

Ebola said:
A very interesting observation. Removing a barrel for thirty days certainly would meet the standard for modification. I wonder if anyone has tried this before. Im trying to think if there would any benefits at all in having registered restricteds without calibers. Well other then barrel swapping at the range.
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No, there isnt any real advantage except maybe you would get to keep a bunch of useless parts if you hid them when the fuzz comes to confiscate your receiver.

There is a big draw back though. Unlike a calibre change which only has to be reported if its permanent, when a gun is registered as a receiver only you must report adding the barrel, and then report again when the barrel is removed, regardless of how long it is off for. The regulations have already been quoted. Give em a read.

Has anyone tried it? I am sure people have tried all kinfs of things and not reported it, most likely cause they had no idea what the law requires.

Ridersfan said:
Neither of my 2 restricted registration certificates even say what my caliber is... this looks like a non-issue
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Only if you think breaking the law is a non issue. The electronic records the CFO/Registrar keeps has more info than what is on the certificate, such as who the certificate is issued to.
 
Cameron SS said:
well first, if it doesnt have a receiver it doesnt meet the definition of a firearm. Any barrel on its own with a hammer is usually sufficient to fire a shot, but alas to be a firearm there must be a receiver.
Also partially disassembled firearms meet the readily convertible test and therefore simple dissassembly doesnt change the fact it is still treated as a legal firearm.
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What's you point? I was addressing a specific comment.
 
So, let's keep it civil fellas... :)

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Cameron SS said:
Only if you think breaking the law is a non issue. The electronic records the CFO/Registrar keeps has more info than what is on the certificate, such as who the certificate is issued to.
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No, take a 22 revolver as an example. It can come with 2 cylinders, 1 for 22lr, 1 for 22 mag... which do they register it as in their "secret electronic" version? When I got my last revolver, there was no cylinder installed in it... it was in the box. Does that mean they registered my paper weight? They can't register it as 2 things, jsut 1... so which is it? 22lr or 22 mag if they both came in a package? Or, what if I remove my cylinder from my revolver for more than 30 days... does that mean that they'll de-register me if I politely inform them they have to? yeah right eh. There are lots of other revolvers that come multi cylinder... 45 colt/45 acp, 357 mag/38 special... are those all a bunch of law breakers as well?
 
Interesting how some people are incapable of admitting they are spreading falsehoods. But back to the topic, has anyone actually had to show a restricted certificate to a peace officer? I have had restricted for over 40 years and have never been asked to show the certificate, ever. So basically this could be a non-issue to just about everyone.
 
npbra said:
has anyone actually had to show a restricted certificate to a peace officer?
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I have. A certain range in Burnaby required that you show all your certs to the staff before going on the range, and would invite the RCMP on to the firing line to do spot checks on your paperwork. In a charming manner, to stick to the forum rules. This was for the year before they got shut down permanently.
 
npbra said:
Interesting how some people are incapable of admitting they are spreading falsehoods. But back to the topic, has anyone actually had to show a restricted certificate to a peace officer? I have had restricted for over 40 years and have never been asked to show the certificate, ever. So basically this could be a non-issue to just about everyone.
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Yes but by choice,was shooting a restricted shotgun at the range and a couple rcmp were practicing for quals. They said the shotgun had to be prohibited becouse it was so short when I said it was restricted I showed them the registration to show them they were wrong and then they asked if they could try it.
 
So I called the S&W warranty people in Canada. They told me the barrels are not interchangeable which is not true according to sources I have seen from the States. But I guess they don't wanna do it so they gave a reason that would make me go away. They had also told me I'd have to send in the gun for the swap because contrary to what I had heard, they said it wasn't "drop in." Again false according to other sources.
 
So i have read the entire thread and nobody mentioned the sig p250 or p320 which has no serial numbers on the frame or slide but rather the fully removable fire control unit that can be put into another frame and matched up with other calibers/slides not to mention barrels.....that might be a lot of calls to the cfc as there could be quite a few combinations that were not necessarily permanent....I think a bit of common sense might go a long way here....just sayin.
 
albertaman238 said:
So i have read the entire thread and nobody mentioned the sig p250 or p320 which has no serial numbers on the frame or slide but rather the fully removable fire control unit that can be put into another frame and matched up with other calibers/slides not to mention barrels.....that might be a lot of calls to the cfc as there could be quite a few combinations that were not necessarily permanent....I think a bit of common sense might go a long way here....just sayin.
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With respect, you dont know what a frame is. Sig didnt bypass the rcmp and bring these guns into the country without approval.

The receiver on the sig 320 Is serialized. It is a very small receiver relatively speaking, but the receiver holds the trigger and barrel/action parts. The sig 320 merely has an interchangeable grip, and it is the grip which is unserialized.

But yes, like the AR receiver, the sig 320 is very versatile and modular with many readily available configurations.

How does that affect the requirement to report permanent changes to the CFO within 30 days? Law is clear, and stupid.

Common sense went out the window the day gun owners accepted the government lies that registration some how prevents crime.
 
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