Restoration of the No1 & No4 Lee Enfield

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I recently restored a Lee Enfield No1 Mk3 recently and figured I would share it. I also did a No4 in the past so take away whatever you want from this. If some pictures are not showing up I think imgur is having issues. I am trying to fix it.

Here are the parts and tools you need. (not seen is the chisel) By far the hardest part of these projects is finding the parts. I can’t help you with that so good luck, but I can show you what you need. I am using a Ishapore 2A forend because finding 100 year old parts is very hard. If you want to be picky on having matching wood you either have to be lucky or chase around parts for the rest of your life.
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If you need to replace the magazine you need to get the proper one. The left is a No1 and the right is a No4. The one on the right will work in both rifles but the one on the left will only fit in a No1. On a side not the OA on the left one means its Australian manufacture. The broad arrow on the right one means its British made.
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You might as well prep you wood parts now. I recommend lin seed oil because its cheap, easy and what they used back in the day. Lin seed oil will spontaneously combust if you leave a soaked rag laying around for too long. You can google how to deal with that. Or you can just use paper towel and go burn it out side when you are done. Its by far the easiest method.
Before and after
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First thing to do is loosen the buttstock screw, it’s a flat head and yes you need a comically long screw driver. You have to do this because the screw helps in holding the forend on the rifle. On the No4 this step is not needed, this is the first difference.
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Next is removing these two screws. Might be easier if you take the bolt and magazine out. I won’t insult anyone’s intelligence with how to do that.
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Remove the barrel band screw next. Or do this first, it won’t matter. The No4 does not have this piece. If your No1 does not have it good luck figuring out how to put on one but most will have it. You might have to tap the wood off the rifle with the bottom of your screw driver if you can’t just pull it off.
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Put the sight protector. It’s a two screw system so you will need two flatheads to screw it in. The No4 does not have this.
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Do a test fit of the nose cap and try to screw in the bolt and nut. I had to chisel out some wood because the bolt did not reach the nut with the nose cap on the forend. When you test fit is successful tape the nut in place. It will make your life a lot easier.
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Try putting the forend on to the rifle. It might just slide on nicely but chances are you will have to tap it with the screw driver handle to get it on. Not so hard that you ding up the wood though. I was able to tap on my No4. Doing this No1 was a fight. I tried putting it on with hand pressure then taking it off and looking for the hot spots. If you look around inside you should be able to small compressions or scrape marks. Take you chisel and remove small amounts of wood in the various spots. I was not able to get a good picture. For the No1 make sure the barrel band is lined up in it’s grooves when you are doing this.

Reattach the trigger to the rifle. You may have to remove some wood to do this but try and get the angel right first. The No1 was picky on getting it in place. Once you have the screws back in put the bolt in and do a couple dry fires to make sure it works. You may notice the trigger feels different from when it was a sporter. I don’t know why this is. The No4 was a lot different and the No1 was a little different. It makes no difference on accuracy or reliability.

The No1 trigger needed some wood fitting. When I squeezed the trigger it worked fine. If you squeezed it too far, let’s say because the safety is on it would stick back. Then when you released the safety the firing pin would go forward. That is obviously a problem. It took me awhile to figure it out but below you can see the area I removed some wood (mostly with sand paper). After a little wood is removed the trigger worked like its suppose to.
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When putting the forend back on make sure the barrel band is in its grooves. For the No4 you need to put the ring around the barrel to hold the rear handguard in place. Ring can be seen below. Forgot to buy one and it really slowed down my No4 restoration.
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For the No1 put the barrel band screw in. You might have to rotate the band a little to make it line up.
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When the forend is back on try to put on the nose cap. It may not go on as easily with the barrel there. I had to remove some surface area and along the cuts for the nose cap. I took a little too much off of the cuts buts its only cosmetic. None of this step is need for the No4
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Put the two bolts in. There is one on the side and one on the bottom of the nose cap. Since you test fitted and taped the bottom one earlier that should go in easy. The side one put up quite fight. I ended up having to make the bolt hole bigger because it was misaligned. Even with the bolt hole widened I still had to put a lot of downward force to get the screw to bite into the threads on the other side.

For the forward handguard on the No1 it probably won’t just slide in. You will have to angle, force and slide it in.
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For the No4 you just lay on in there and use the barrel band. Its not hinged so you have to put a lot force on the band to get it low and then a lot of force on the bolt to bite the threads and get it on there
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For the No1 middle band and sling swivel, mine would not reach all the way around. So I had to chisel out some wood. My chisel fit perfectly so this was easy. It is also a hinged band so it was easy to put on once I removed enough wood.
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For the No4 you have to put on the rear hand guard next then the band. The band is not hinged so you will probably need a lot of force to compress the band and get the screw to bite into the threads. The No4 is now complete
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The rear hand guard on the No1 just clips on. Retighten the butt stock and the No1 is now complete. Mine is still missing the brass disk but they are easy to find and is a simple screw.
Admire you work and shoot often.
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As for Bayonets the No1 follows the philosophy of never bring a knife to a gun fight. So it brings a sword bayonet.
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The No4 brings a spike because history had shown that blades get stuck in people’s chest and costs more.
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One quick tip, don't start by the buttstock screw on a No1Mk3. Start from the front, work your way to the back. So on a sporter, you'd unscrew the mid-barrel ring screw, then the front trigger guard screw, then the rear trigger guard screw, and finally the buttstock screw.
 
I was under the impression that it was a big no-no to try to turn the butt stock screw in a No. 1 without removing the forearm first - isn't there a lock plate that engages the square end of the No. 1 butt stock screw?
 
One quick tip, don't start by the buttstock screw on a No1Mk3. Start from the front, work your way to the back. So on a sporter, you'd unscrew the mid-barrel ring screw, then the front trigger guard screw, then the rear trigger guard screw, and finally the buttstock screw.

Not saying you are wrong, but why do it your way? The way I did it worked just fine.
 
Not saying you are wrong, but why do it your way? The way I did it worked just fine.

If the gun involved is a sporter and you don't care about the forend it's not an issue. If it's a No. 1 with the square end on buttstock bolt and keeper plate in forend you will crack the forend. Never turn the buttstock bolt on a No. 1 (to either loosen or tighten) without first removing the forend. Some have been modified by cutting off the square end of the bolt and some Ishapore's were manufactured without the keeper but if uncertain remove the forend first.

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Thanks for the thread!

I'm making up a SMLE from parts right now, except I lined the bore and altered the bolt for .22LR. It will be sort of a No. 2 Mk. IV.
 
Not saying you are wrong, but why do it your way? The way I did it worked just fine.

This only means you were lucky. Likely that the forend which was on your rifle to begin with was a later pattern, without the inletted "key", or the key was missing. Or that the buttstock screw no longer had the square tip which is meant to fit in that key. The initial pattern had that key to ensure the buttstock screw didn't come loose on its own over time. Forcing such setup will deform the key and bust the back of the forend. I've seen dozens (if not hundreds by now) which suffered that fate.

Another tip to increase your already quite decent result: using wood stripper, and then a variety of wood stains before finishing the wood with linseed oil can provide you with a rifle which will show matching wood parts (functions as good, but looks even better).
 
Just thought of something else. One more reason to start unscrewing front to back is: often if your try to loosen the rear trigger guard screw before the front trigger guard screw, you will force too much and break the small and fragile rear trigger guard screw. The front trigger (or "king") screw, once loosened, reduces the pressure which the trigger guard can sometimes put on the rear trigger guard screw.

Trust me, braking the rear trigger guard screw is not a fun problem to have.
 
This only means you were lucky. Likely that the forend which was on your rifle to begin with was a later pattern, without the inletted "key", or the key was missing. Or that the buttstock screw no longer had the square tip which is meant to fit in that key. The initial pattern had that key to ensure the buttstock screw didn't come loose on its own over time. Forcing such setup will deform the key and bust the back of the forend. I've seen dozens (if not hundreds by now) which suffered that fate.

Another tip to increase your already quite decent result: using wood stripper, and then a variety of wood stains before finishing the wood with linseed oil can provide you with a rifle which will show matching wood parts (functions as good, but looks even better).

The butt screw did have a square at the end of it. The sporter stock did not have any cuts in it, it was just snug against the stock. The ishapore stock does the reinforcing metal bar. Should I be putting washers in the butt to bring the screw back a bit?
 
I am also using an Indian forend with reinforcing strap, without keeper plate. I am using a butt screw from which the square tip has been removed.
 
I see 4 shades of brown on your wooden stock. By mixing in varying amounts of artist oil colour with the linseed oil, you can more closely match the stock. Keep it thin so you don't obscure the wood grain.
End result will be more visually pleasing.
 
The butt screw did have a square at the end of it. The sporter stock did not have any cuts in it, it was just snug against the stock. The ishapore stock does the reinforcing metal bar. Should I be putting washers in the butt to bring the screw back a bit?

Depends if the screw touches the back of the reinforcing metal bar at the back of the forend. If it doesn't touch it, then you're ok. If it touches it, the more you tighten the screw, the more damage you will do to your forend (essentially "ramming" the metal bar with the buttscrew).

When I install an Ishapore forend on an SMLE, I test the buttstock screw before installing the forend. I see how much the screw protrudes inside the action. When it does, I don't use washers, I simply take the screw off, grind some material off from its tip, test again. Until it's flush with the back face of the receiver.
 
When I got my dads no.1 and desporterized it the cut forearm had a big split in the back, likely from the butt screw. When I fitted the new forend I made sure to tighten the butt screw and cut off the squared end flush before I installed the forend.
 
" ... First thing to do is loosen the buttstock screw, it’s a flat head and yes you need a comically long screw driver. ..."


Take your Nissan in to the dealer for service and afterwards look in the engine compartment to see if a mechanic left a comically long screw driver in there. That's how I got mine.
 
Depends if the screw touches the back of the reinforcing metal bar at the back of the forend. If it doesn't touch it, then you're ok. If it touches it, the more you tighten the screw, the more damage you will do to your forend (essentially "ramming" the metal bar with the buttscrew).

When I install an Ishapore forend on an SMLE, I test the buttstock screw before installing the forend. I see how much the screw protrudes inside the action. When it does, I don't use washers, I simply take the screw off, grind some material off from its tip, test again. Until it's flush with the back face of the receiver.


Lou is correct.

all of the earlier No1s had a metal keeper that locked the butt socket screw. By turning the screw before removing the fore stock you would bend this and likely crack the forestock.

you go t lucky.

next, you are using boiled linseed oil, traditionally raw linseed oil was used, a big heated vat of it that the wood parts were dipped in and let dry for several days. The boiled linseed oil is much easier to use and that is what I use. It should be noted that part of the annual maintenance was to wipe down all wood parts with linseed oil.

other then these 2 points I think you have done a good job.

oh and go easy with that chisel, keep it very sharp and go slow.
 
One suggestion: (I know, unsolicited advice...) Buy a proper gunsmith screwdriver set. Can't think of how many nice old screws I buggered before I was told by older gunners to use properly ground screwdrivers.

Very nice work on those oldtimers. It always does my heart good to see old milsurps brought back from the dead.
 
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