Liberals looking at all out handgun/assault rifle ban!

MoMoney said:
So yes, it's unfortunate that this is being looked into, but right now I feel like it's unlikely that this study will result in much happening in terms of an actual ban.
I find it odd that he put Bill Blair in charge. Bill Blair as recently as last week said banning guns is not the solution, and that we should avoid any swift action like this. He is very clearly on the side of coming down hard on organized crime & our border services to make it harder for illegal guns to make it into Canada.

Honestly, I may be giving Trudeau too much credit here, but what do we think the outcome will be if the Minister of Organized Crime Reduction & Border Services looks at a gun ban? Banning guns for legal owners will not help someone who's in charge of these services. Actually, NOT banning these guns and putting more emphasis on reduction of crime & stronger border security re: bringing guns across the border would be a huge win for someone like Bill Blair. He'd get a ton more funding if a handgun & assault weapon ban didn't go into effect.

Maybe I'm totally missing something here, but if I were Trudeau, the only reason I'd ask Bill Blair to be the guy behind the study was if deep down I knew a ban wouldn't make sense, but because a ton of his supporters are asking for one, he had to do his due diligence. With that, Trudeau can come out and say "No. Bill Blair says most guns come across the border, and organized crime groups aren't going to listen to a gun ban. We're going to invest more in organized crime reduction instead" But his supporters still know he at least considered the ban.

If this study goes the way I'm thinking it will, in the long run, this study may ultimately be a win for us. Last week we were all talking about how there's no data on how many crime guns come from within Canada. Maybe this study is going to help give us some more insight on this, and then, if the study is listened to, give us more ammunition to fight back on a ban or maybe completely alliterative the thought from the Liberals agenda.
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When Bill Blair was Chief of the TPS he was very much in favour of more gun control. Do you think he is going to do an about face?
 
MoMoney said:
So yes, it's unfortunate that this is being looked into, but right now I feel like it's unlikely that this study will result in much happening in terms of an actual ban.
I find it odd that he put Bill Blair in charge. Bill Blair as recently as last week said banning guns is not the solution, and that we should avoid any swift action like this. He is very clearly on the side of coming down hard on organized crime & our border services to make it harder for illegal guns to make it into Canada.

Honestly, I may be giving Trudeau too much credit here, but what do we think the outcome will be if the Minister of Organized Crime Reduction & Border Services looks at a gun ban? Banning guns for legal owners will not help someone who's in charge of these services. Actually, NOT banning these guns and putting more emphasis on reduction of crime & stronger border security re: bringing guns across the border would be a huge win for someone like Bill Blair. He'd get a ton more funding if a handgun & assault weapon ban didn't go into effect.

Maybe I'm totally missing something here, but if I were Trudeau, the only reason I'd ask Bill Blair to be the guy behind the study was if deep down I knew a ban wouldn't make sense, but because a ton of his supporters are asking for one, he had to do his due diligence. With that, Trudeau can come out and say "No. Bill Blair says most guns come across the border, and organized crime groups aren't going to listen to a gun ban. We're going to invest more in organized crime reduction instead" But his supporters still know he at least considered the ban.

If this study goes the way I'm thinking it will, in the long run, this study may ultimately be a win for us. Last week we were all talking about how there's no data on how many crime guns come from within Canada. Maybe this study is going to help give us some more insight on this, and then, if the study is listened to, give us more ammunition to fight back on a ban or maybe completely alliterative the thought from the Liberals agenda.
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^ This. Well said sir.
 
Raspern said:
We sure do, the Charter of rights and freedoms explicitly prevents the seizure of legally acquired property. The only province this wont apply is Quebec as they never signed on to the Charter.
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Stop paying your property tax on the so called property you legally own and see how long before the come for it.
 
DRE67 said:
I hate to argue with a fellow gun owner, but the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms does not explicitly protect property rights. Besides, there is always section 33 the "notwithstanding clause" which basically means they can remove your rights whenever they feel like it. Unlike our neighbors to the south, we Canadians don't really have rights. We are granted privileges by the ruling class. We don't have the right to own firearms. It's a privilege. It can be taken away with the stoke of a pen whenever the ruling class decides to make it so.

http://propertyrightsguide.ca/are-property-rights-protected-in-canadian-law/

PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THE CHARTER
The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms does not directly protect property rights. The Charter was enacted as part of the Constitution Act, 1982, which affirmed the Constitution as the supreme law of Canada and provided that any law that is inconsistent with the Constitution is of no force or effect. The Charter guarantees certain individual rights against intrusion by the state and gives the courts the power to provide a remedy to anyone whose Charter rights are denied. For example, section 7 of the Charter reads:

Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice.

If property rights had been included in the Charter, certain laws restricting or removing property rights would be unconstitutional, and the courts would have been able to strike them down. But property rights were deliberately excluded from the Charter (the reasons for this omission are subject to some debate that cannot be summarized adequately in this guide), and subsequent proposals to amend the Charter by adding protection for private property have not been successful.
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We are all in agreeing that we are citizens , subjects "slaves" to the crown and there underlings, some have more rights than others. You have to pay to play. The gun ban will never happen. The Libs are just trying to scare the public:yingyang::yingyang::yingyang: to try and secure votes for the next election.
 
I had to check if it was April 1st.

I "might not" vote Liberal now. (That's sarcasm BTW if you didn't pick up on that.)
 
We need to change the voting system so we can vote either for or against the party.

That would stop politicians from pandering to special interest fringe voters and more correctly work harder to offend the fewest people.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong (usually am lol) does this potential ban mean that we can all hit them with a huge class action and show that we fight for our rights and leaglly purchased and owned property
 
Quote Originally Posted by frabill View Post
Doesn't matter. These liberals would bankrupt canada to take our guns.

Posted by ARCANGEL "You are probably correct"

therefore we must fight at every level - they lost when Harper killed the long gun resgiatry because gun rights supporters fought ! We won then and we can win now. We will lose it all if we sit back so fight on brothers
 
tiriaq said:
When Bill Blair was Chief of the TPS he was very much in favour of more gun control. Do you think he is going to do an about face?
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I wont pretend to know a ton about Bill's past with gun control, so I can't say he wont offer some more restrictions or "checks" as a solution instead of an outright ban. Honestly though, if those are the two evils we have to choose.. I'd prefer a couple more restrictions over an outright ban. Now, I'm not saying that's ideal.. ideally we wouldn't be having this discussion at all. But I feel like we don't need to worry too much about our guns being taken away in the imminent future.

Do we need to worry about more restrictions or hoops appearing that we have to maneuver our way through to renew our restricted license? Probably. And that definitely sucks, and it's something we should be on top of and fight against. For now though, I can't see Bill's study coming to a conclusion of "Ban handguns and assault rifles.". You're right though, it'll probably come with some compromise.

Just want to state that I am definitely ashamed that we're even looking into this study, and it's unfortunate the media attention it's gotten. I don't think this should be happening, but I'm just saying that there could be a much worse outcome if it weren't Bill Blair. He's definitely not going to help us in terms of making things any easier, but I just can't see him coming to any conclusion that a ban is the right thing to do. I don't think the outcome of the study will be good for any of us regardless of whether it's a ban or more restrictions/"gun control".
 
squidxm said:
Ahh I love home renos. Don’t forget your shovel and tub of grease.
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Renos? Not me. I'm into time capsules.

8" dia PVC Pipe and fittings. Check
Grease. Check
Degreaser. Check
Desiccant packs. Check
Rifle. Check
Magazines. Check
1000 Rds. Check
Tool Kit. Check
Cleaning supplies. Check
Operators manual in English, French, Spanish and Cantonese. Check.

Never know what the grand kids are going to end up speaking...

Right behind making time capsules my favourite hobbies are amateur cartography, and orienteering, by land and by sea.
 
derek2007 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong (usually am lol) does this potential ban mean that we can all hit them with a huge class action and show that we fight for our rights and leaglly purchased and owned property
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We could, but then many of us are still waiting for the 10/22 class action lawsuit to get off the ground.

tiriaq said:
When Bill Blair was Chief of the TPS he was very much in favour of more gun control. Do you think he is going to do an about face?
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He already has. At the guns and gangs summit he was very much in favour of focusing on the demand for illegal guns, rather than the supply. Reduce the demand, by encouraging these young men to find other ways to solve problems, and the supply goes away on its own, was the moral of his story.

As another poster said, the Liberals might use him in an appeal to authority to 'study the issue" and then decide that a ban actually isn't necessary, and use Blairs credibility to sell it. Dangerous game cause it begs the obvious question of, well if not a ban, then what?

Alternatively, the question should be not if Blair will stand by his anti ban position, or if he will cave to a Liberal party that has already decided what they want to do and are fixing to manufacture the science.
 
Cameron SS said:
Renos? Not me. I'm into time capsules.

8" dia PVC Pipe and fittings. Check
Grease. Check
Degreaser. Check
Desiccant packs. Check
Rifle. Check
Magazines. Check
1000 Rds. Check
Tool Kit. Check
Cleaning supplies. Check
Operators manual in English, French, Spanish and Cantonese. Check.

Never know what the grand kids are going to end up speaking...

Right behind making time capsules my favourite hobbies are amateur cartography, and orienteering, by land and by sea.
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Ive been thinking of the same, a few choice time capsules, tho i wish i had more ammo LOL
 
MoMoney said:
I wont pretend to know a ton about Bill's past with gun control, so I can't say he wont offer some more restrictions or "checks" as a solution instead of an outright ban. Honestly though, if those are the two evils we have to choose.. I'd prefer a couple more restrictions over an outright ban. Now, I'm not saying that's ideal.. ideally we wouldn't be having this discussion at all. But I feel like we don't need to worry too much about our guns being taken away in the imminent future.

Do we need to worry about more restrictions or hoops appearing that we have to maneuver our way through to renew our restricted license? Probably. And that definitely sucks, and it's something we should be on top of and fight against. For now though, I can't see Bill's study coming to a conclusion of "Ban handguns and assault rifles.". You're right though, it'll probably come with some compromise.

Just want to state that I am definitely ashamed that we're even looking into this study, and it's unfortunate the media attention it's gotten. I don't think this should be happening, but I'm just saying that there could be a much worse outcome if it weren't Bill Blair. He's definitely not going to help us in terms of making things any easier, but I just can't see him coming to any conclusion that a ban is the right thing to do. I don't think the outcome of the study will be good for any of us regardless of whether it's a ban or more restrictions/"gun control".
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The Toronto Star is applauding Bill's appointment to this ministry, and the assignment of this task to him.
 
tiriaq said:
When Bill Blair was Chief of the TPS he was very much in favour of more gun control. Do you think he is going to do an about face?
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Blair recently stated that he didn’t believe legal guns were the problem and backed Chief Saunders criticism that a gun ban of any sort would likely not mitigate the issue of gun crime. Also, the Liberal “gun ban” narrative doesn’t seem to playing out all that well as more Canadians with diverse political ideologies are openly criticizing the idea of a ban as irrational. I have to give more credit to our fellow countrymen and women who are openly beginning to question the logic of such a pointless measure. The information flow on the realities behind legal firearm ownership have made the general public more aware of what it is to be a gun owner in Canada. Say what you will about politicians, but the average individual seems to be seeking elnlightenment and clarity on this issue. I'm seeing more sustained and reasoned debate from circles I never thought would pay any lip service to gun ownership in general and I live in Toronto. If the Liberals move forward with a ban, it will surely cost them the election and that reality will start to sink in very soon.
 
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