Stag-10 vs Modern Hunter

Epoxy7 said:
Stag 10 without question.
The BCG on the Stag 10 is nirited and MPI. The MH is DPMS oem lowest bid gen1 with an American Spirit Arms inspired notch cut into it for the side charging handle.

The biggest factors for accuracy with the Stag 10 will be the barrel, trigger and ammunition. Setup for accuracy your Stag 10 should be aiming for .5 moa, 5 rounds at 100 yards capable. The MH isn't and 1 moa is what people are chasing. It's unknown why. But the MH accuracy really doesn't live up to the AR10/AR308 accuracy potential. Piston system AR308 rifles are shooting better than the MH. Some owners have gone to a barrel change for the MH and while those that did so have reported good reliability along with 1 moa performance. 1 moa isn't the dragon you should be chasing with an AR10/AR308. .5 moa is where you want to be aiming for.

Further with accuracy expectations/potential. The Stag 6R 223 rifle I bought came with a .5 moa guarantee. The only other precision AR15 at the time with that same guarantee was the Les Bauer. The only thing they did to the 6 was the barrel and trigger. Everything else was standard Stag AR15.

I would put the Stag 10 on Par with the Armalite AR10. It's better for modding or building though due to it's DPMS style parts compatibility which is the most common standard for the AR308 rifle and offers the most aftermarket options. These are good quality work horse AR rifles that are well done but don't offer all the boutique features of high end AR rifles such as the KAC/LMT and HK etc (yes there are many others as well). I mention this because the AR10 has seen combat, is reliable, built well and with the right parts is exceptionally accurate. Not as fancy as LMT etc but it gets the job done and does it very well. It's not hobby grade. The two other non restricted options are hobby grade.

The Modern Hunter isn't even a distant third choice with the Stag 10 being introduced. The Stag has the MH beat on build quality, I mean real build quality not expensive window dressing. It beats the MH on accuracy potential, reliability, magazine compatibility, ammunition that it will shoot, parts compatibility and trigger options. It's also available from the factory in 6.5 CM. Now add in that it's approximately $1300 less for a complete rifle. That's comparing a base model MH with DPMS furniture to a Stag 10 with better furniture and handguard. Is an ambi bolt release and side charging handle worth $1300? Also keeping in mind that modern AR charging handles offer side charger performance/function while also providing the ability for true ambi function. You can't switch over the side charger on the MH.

The MH was killed by the BCL 102. Both the MH and the BCL 102 just got blown out of the water with the Stag 10.
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Epoxy7 on point as usual. Personally, Stag 10 receiver set being non-restricted and available for $589 (along with the complete rifle for the non-DIY guys) is the most exciting thing to happen in the Canadian gun market since I've entered the hobby. They're one of those manufacturers that hits the sweet spot between quality, performance and price. Call me a DI fanboy but I'd even take it over the SCAR-17.
 
My stag 10

U/L set $580
CA CFW barrel $700
MI mlok 15 HG $250
CTR. $ 80
Buffer kit. $ 80
Raptor CH. $ 100
Geiselle NM $400
AP BCG. $300

That’s about $2500, with all good quality parts.
 
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Epoxy7 said:
Stag 10 without question.

The MH was killed by the BCL 102. Both the MH and the BCL 102 just got blown out of the water with the Stag 10.
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Exactly. I built a 6.5cm bcl with all the bells and whistles I wanted for cheaper than the modern hunter I had and getting sub 1/2 moa groups. Have a thread on that build.
 
Blastattack said:
THIS WARRANTY IS NOT VALID OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

Just saying.
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Thats just a generic statement for someone that wants their rifle warrantied when they live in Wituland.

It is honored by Arms East, from last I know of.

Arms East can clear that up with an official statement.
 
Epoxy7 nailed it, not much else to say.

I have a MH, although I haven’t handloaded for it, I can get consistent 1.2moa with factory ammo. I’m a bit disappointed overall with it. I have a BCL102 reciever set that I was going to build up, now I’m going to sell it and loose a lot of money. I have a stag 10 reciever set on order.

The stag is easily the clear winner of the 3.
 
Dr. Hunter said:
LOL. Someone needs to remake the pic of the modern shotgun tombstone with another tombstone for the bcl.
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griffin86 said:
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I got an update from the original MH tombstone creator.

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Props for ATRS for paving the way though. They were the only option in 2014, I wonder if we would have the options we do now if they didn’t stick their neck out back then. I loved mine, just had too much money tied up in it.
 
Epoxy7 said:
I got an update from the original MH tombstone creator.

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Crap like this makes me wonder why any company would bother to try and help the Canadian gun owners. The guys at ATRS took a HUGE risk and broke the way for all of the new NR rifles we have access to, yet a number of clowns seem hellbent on slagging and hassling them. This speaks volumes for other manufacturers who have been following and should be asking themselves, why bother?
 
no-one special said:
Crap like this makes me wonder why any company would bother to try and help the Canadian gun owners. The guys at ATRS took a HUGE risk and broke the way for all of the new NR rifles we have access to, yet a number of clowns seem hellbent on slagging and hassling them. This speaks volumes for other manufacturers who have been following and should be asking themselves, why bother?
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I agree with what you are saying! I do understand that some people might find that those rifle are underperforming accuracy wise and all the other stuff that has ben said. I have no experience with the MH line, but I have a MV that I like very much that has ben running tip top!
 
Don't fool yourself into thinking their intention was to pave the way for nr rifles. They would likely be happier with no competitors. They took a risk to corner a niche market and make some good money and I'm sure they did. They didn't pump out as many as bcl did during their time but they did have a decent amount of time controlling the nr 223 until the slr, wk 180c etc.
 
no-one special said:
Crap like this makes me wonder why any company would bother to try and help the Canadian gun owners. The guys at ATRS took a HUGE risk and broke the way for all of the new NR rifles we have access to, yet a number of clowns seem hellbent on slagging and hassling them. This speaks volumes for other manufacturers who have been following and should be asking themselves, why bother?
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Same thing has just occurred with the BCL 102. I also copied that post. I didn’t see you objecting to that! I happen to own a BCL 102. No hurt feelings here.

It happens. Who knows how long the Stag 10 will be the top non restricted AR308 rifle. Will you also be objecting if someone uses the tombstone app for the Stag if/when it goes out of favour?
 
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Epoxy7 said:
Same thing has just occurred with the BCL 102. I also copied that post. I didn’t see you objecting to that! I happen to own a BCL 102. No hurt feelings here.

It happens. Who knows how long the Stag 10 will be the top non restricted AR308 rifle. Will you also be objecting if someone uses the tombstone app for the Stag if/when it goes out of favour?
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I have one and no!
 
Epoxy7 said:
Same thing has just occurred with the BCL 102. I also copied that post. I didn’t see you objecting to that! I happen to own a BCL 102. No hurt feelings here.

It happens. Who knows how long the Stag 10 will be the top non restricted AR308 rifle. Will you also be objecting if someone uses the tombstone app for the Stag if/when it goes out of favour?
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You missed my point entirely.
As long as members of the gun culture are going to continually crap on the innovators how long do you think they are going to try and develop new things for us?
I know the guys at ATRS pretty well and know for a fact they could make far more money making non firearms related products. They do what they do because of the passion they have for firearms.
These just like the guys as all other small manufacturers have feelings too and at some point they could get fed up with the crap and call it quits. The more gun businesses we the gun community drive out of business only reduces OUR options.
Haters are gonna hate regardless but maybe they should ponder for 1 minute about their unintended consequences.
 
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