My understanding was the breast was the only part you had to legally harvest? Everything else is optional?
what to do with bird carcass
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My understanding was the breast was the only part you had to legally harvest? Everything else is optional?
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- Blaster land, Okanagan BC
That’s the impression I get Suther, at least as far as BC is concerned. I don’t hunt migratory birds though and could be mistaken, when I’m cleaning grouse I breast out and take the legs. The rest I leave in the woods for something to eat and honestly the “rest” that is edible of what’s left of the neck after I head shoot them isn’t much, the heart and livers are so small I just don’t bother. Some critter always cleans up what minimal bits are left behind, but I’m sure there is much more with waterfowl.
I just can’t recall there being a law against it in the synopsis, Ontario might be different but migratory rules are federal and not provincial.
I just can’t recall there being a law against it in the synopsis, Ontario might be different but migratory rules are federal and not provincial.
Runningfool
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The law states you cannot let flesh spoil. Comes down to interpretation, as all things in law do. Obviously some here think their way is the only right way and everyone else is either lazy or cheap! Perhaps some of those people would be willing to share their recipe for sanctimonious pickled goose feet!
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boil it for a good soup broth first! then dispose...
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- Blaster land, Okanagan BC
Perhaps some of those people would be willing to share their recipe for sanctimonious pickled goose feet!
This made me think of last year, I had taken a grouse foot for a project I was thinking of using it for. My one dog snapped it off the coffee table and ate it when I had my back turned. It had dried in the shop and was like crispy jerky lol, she really enjoyed it.
Runningfool
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We all agree that wasting any useable portion the wild game should be avoided. But there has to be some common sense applied here. Technically, when I clean a fish, inevitably there will be some flesh left on it and that would be against the regulations. But the reality is, I do my best to minimize the waste of any edible portion.
The laws around game meat spoilage are designed and enforced to prevent people from shooting an animal and letting all or a large portion of it go to waste. There are plenty of examples where people have been charged for shooting an animal and not attempting to harvest the meat. But show me one case in Canada of someone being charged for not taking the leg/neck/back meat off a duck? Could they? I suppose. Should they? Seems like a couple of people here think so.
The laws around game meat spoilage are designed and enforced to prevent people from shooting an animal and letting all or a large portion of it go to waste. There are plenty of examples where people have been charged for shooting an animal and not attempting to harvest the meat. But show me one case in Canada of someone being charged for not taking the leg/neck/back meat off a duck? Could they? I suppose. Should they? Seems like a couple of people here think so.
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- Blaster land, Okanagan BC
The law states you cannot let flesh spoil. Comes down to interpretation, as all things in law do. Obviously some here think their way is the only right way and everyone else is either lazy or cheap! Perhaps some of those people would be willing to share their recipe for sanctimonious pickled goose feet!
Well around here dumped remains are gone by the morning, so technically you could say it didn’t have time to spoil hahaha.
At least that’s my interpretation of things from personal experience, the legs, hide and fat and shot damaged meat my buddy dumped in the woods after butchering a 3pt buck he shot after the season opener was all gone the following morning. Every last scrap had disappeared, I went and checked.
Does Ontario list what parts of the animal need to be retained? For instance, in BC with big game you have to take the 4 quarters and loins, and new to this year is the rib and neck meat too.
I would think any laws regarding spoilage would only apply to the parts you legally have to harvest?
None of this is applicable
Harvesting Geese falls under the federal Migratory Birds Convention Act, 1994 which is for all of North Americia, canada included
You have no clue what you are talking about. Genius as you say
Cheers
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- Blaster land, Okanagan BC
Suther is on the money for BC, I just was reading the synopsis. Pt.37 of “its unlawful” on pg.14 says It’s illegal to kill wildlife and fail to remove from the carcass the edible portions (see definitions section) to the persons normal dwelling place or meat cutter or cold storage plant...
The definitions section on pg.3 describes “edible portions” as:
With respect to big game, excluding wolf, lynx, bobcat and wolverine, means the edible portions of the neck, ribs, four quarters and the lions of the animal and with respect to game birds, means the edible portions of both breasts of the bird.
Id like to know if there’s a similar def of this within Ontario, in BC it’s pretty clearly defined. As they say “game bird” only in the edible portions definition, the definition of game bird is:
Means any grouse, partridge, quail, pheasant, ptarmigan, migratory game bird, or wild turkey.
So by the look of it in BC it is not illegal to take the breasts off a migratory bird and leave the rest, since the neck and legs are not defined as an edible portion on a bird you wouldn’t be allowing meat to spoil legally. Is it wasteful, sure. Illegal, doesn’t seem like it. Personally if there’s edible meat it comes home with me, but I try not to let anything go to waste. I’ll give the hide to anyone that wants it for tanning if the ask for it.
The definitions section on pg.3 describes “edible portions” as:
With respect to big game, excluding wolf, lynx, bobcat and wolverine, means the edible portions of the neck, ribs, four quarters and the lions of the animal and with respect to game birds, means the edible portions of both breasts of the bird.
Id like to know if there’s a similar def of this within Ontario, in BC it’s pretty clearly defined. As they say “game bird” only in the edible portions definition, the definition of game bird is:
Means any grouse, partridge, quail, pheasant, ptarmigan, migratory game bird, or wild turkey.
So by the look of it in BC it is not illegal to take the breasts off a migratory bird and leave the rest, since the neck and legs are not defined as an edible portion on a bird you wouldn’t be allowing meat to spoil legally. Is it wasteful, sure. Illegal, doesn’t seem like it. Personally if there’s edible meat it comes home with me, but I try not to let anything go to waste. I’ll give the hide to anyone that wants it for tanning if the ask for it.
The wing is required for transport in B.C. as well .... for those that breast out a bird and leave a wing attached, do you take a bone in breast then or just leave enough bone and meat in the corner where the wing is so that it can remain attached?
Of course, boneing out a breast does not preclude the possibility of taking the other edible portions as well.
Leaving the carcass and feathers for coyotes seems reasonable for those that may be forced to live in a condo by high real estate prices ...... I can just imagine the horror for some other residents of a condo finding a daily bag limits worth of feathers and feet in a communal green bin lol.
exactly, but some people will never admit when they are wrong. Especially after claiming that they are 100% right.
The other day there were a couple of salmon carcasses in my green bin from a neighbor. I chuckled, I'm pretty sure I know which neighbor got those, but it makes me wonder what the other neighbors might think seeing that. I've dumped a few grouse carcasses into there too...
I'll be dumping the leg bones from any bear or deer I get in mine, assuming the hike back to the truck is short enough I don't bone it out in the field...and assuming I can actually get something lol
In Manitoba the breast and legs must be taken. The appended from the 2018 regs:
No person who kills, injures, or is in possession of a game
bird, shall abandon, waste or spoil, or allow to be abandoned,
wasted or spoiled, any edible portion of the bird. The
department’s guideline is that all edible portions must be used
for human consumption. The edible portions for grouse are the
breasts and for wild turkey and migratory game birds edible
portions are breasts and legs
No person who kills, injures, or is in possession of a game
bird, shall abandon, waste or spoil, or allow to be abandoned,
wasted or spoiled, any edible portion of the bird. The
department’s guideline is that all edible portions must be used
for human consumption. The edible portions for grouse are the
breasts and for wild turkey and migratory game birds edible
portions are breasts and legs
I take the breast and the two wings here and we only take like 5 a day so no big deal. Most times when I have hunted out west the outfitter had this v blade contraption that did it in minutes since out there hundreds could be taken by a group
I will see if I can find one. It was called a wild wing slinger and this is the end result
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M12shooter
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leave remains in the field for critters to eat. respect private land and don't leave a mess though. Put my duck carcasses in a paper bag and deposit that back in the cattails. All biodegradable...
M12shooter
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What do the "outfitters" do with the thousands of birds left behind by clients?
