Sask Forest Moose endangered?

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I used to hunt Zone 70 exclusively.

We had a decent Zone. We had a 2 week Archery season up until 2009.

In the 6 years I hunted Zone 70 I managed to take 1 40" Bull, 1 47 " Bull both with Bow(one at 10 yards the other at 10 ft.). I also got a 43"Bull with Rifle and 1 more 36" Bull with rifle.

In those years I always had at least 1-2 close encounters (under 75 yards) with mature Bulls and would see alot of other Moose and sign.

In 2009 they opened Zone 70-74 from Sept. 1st to Nov 30 for archery, crossbow, ML and Rifle.

In the area I usually hunt there were 12 bulls shot by rifle hunters in the last couple weeks of Sept.(formally closed to Archery only).

We were also hit with an influx of a couple wolf packs so that didn't help either.

So a once good area with a healthy population is now almost a deadzone?

So after all that I started travelling south to Hudson Bay and got back into good hunting and we still had a "archery" season.

I had some really good years down South but now things are changing again....

For whatever reason SERM decided that too many Moose were being harvested or dying from disease? So this year they cut back the Archery moose season from 2 weeks to 1 week. Also cutting Draw tags and Regular Moose season.

Zones around Hudson Bay used to be 250 tag zones now alot are reduced to 50 tags?

I am lucky this year as I got an Archery Elk so I have some meat BUT it's getting harder every year. It's almost to the point where I just want to buy a Beef and pork and be done with it.

We have extra competition in NE Sask from Manitoba FNs who are coming to Sask because the Man.Moose population has collapsed.

This year I hunted Archery Moose and in areas where I used to get alot of action the forest was all but dead.....no bulls talking and no cows calling?

It is sad to see these areas get "cleaned out" and SERMs only answer is to close seasons, shorten seasons?

Why not try other things like close active logging roads down to keep everyone out?

They did put some new gates in but the roads and clearcuts are still there.


Also the logging practices could be changed so they leave a curtain of trees between the main roads and the cutblocks. This would drastically cut down the roadhunting which probably accounts for 50% of Moose kills. Everyone knows how easy it is to quad down a logging road and spot Moose in a fresh cut, especially true once winter sets in.

I think the answer is to close these areas off from Dec 1st till Aug20 and ban baiting for Big Game(except for Bear).

It is Crownland and belongs to all of us but once the animals are cleaned out it will take a generation for them to come back?

Just seems to me Sask is FAR behind other jurisdictions when it comes to game Management?
 
i would personally like to see hunting all big game start sept 15th and finish dec 17th
so moose,elk and deer start finish with those dates.
none of this bullschit week for this then 2 weeks for that etc

as for serm and tag numbers,thats a joke.the farmland one i hunt,they actually cut back
the elk tag numbers and yet the elk numbers are increasing.

we are the ones losing out as the farmers keep claiming insurance for elk damage to crop and bags.
 
Philthy1 said:
The future is dim for moose. They are gone from N Manitoba, so yes we will come shoot yours until they are gone too.
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The Moose are starting to come back in Manitoba side of Porcupines

I think rotating closures of Zones would also help.

Another scary thing is a seen some increased moose ticks this year....so IF we get a tick epidemic it will pretty much wipe what's left out....
 
350 Mag said:
The Moose are starting to come back in Manitoba side of Porcupines

I think rotating closures of Zones would also help.

Another scary thing is a seen some increased moose ticks this year....so IF we get a tick epidemic it will pretty much wipe what's left out....
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The snowmobile trail running through the west porcupines has doomed moose in area 13. Tics take a toll but this is natural. Moose are thriving on the "settlement" as its called in Saskatchewan. Land is private and landowners are vigilant.
 
It's my belief that SERM have conceded the forest moose population to First Nations. They run a couple short seasons in non productive times just so they can still sell tags. What cemented my belief is that they shortened archery moose so it ends before the rut. Might have saved what, a dozen moose? But it plays well to the FN.
 
starvin said:
It's my belief that SERM have conceded the forest moose population to First Nations. They run a couple short seasons in non productive times just so they can still sell tags. What cemented my belief is that they shortened archery moose so it ends before the rut. Might have saved what, a dozen moose? But it plays well to the FN.
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Whole First Nations thing is a crock of poo.. they as a group know little to nothing about moose management or do they care. A properly educated group with strict harvest regulations would see moose rebound fast. Take Finland and Sweden. Probably shoot more moose than Sask, manitoba and Alberta combined. And moose thrive there. Difference being all play by the rules. Could easily be enough moose for all...just takes rules and enforcement.
 
M12shooter said:
Whole First Nations thing is a crock of poo.. they as a group know little to nothing about moose management or do they care. A properly educated group with strict harvest regulations would see moose rebound fast. Take Finland and Sweden. Probably shoot more moose than Sask, manitoba and Alberta combined. And moose thrive there. Difference being all play by the rules. Could easily be enough moose for all...just takes rules and enforcement.
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This^^^game management should be just that, game management not political pandering!
 
They have to be able to close it for everybody... is the problem. There is a portion of the everybody that doesn't have to follow the rules. That portion of the everybody is responsible for the declining numbers when you see how much they waste. They kill them because they can, nothing more.
 
Anyone familiar with Zone 56, the Whites Ranch road?

I would propose there be Security/remote gates installed.

These gates could be solar/battery powered and access remotes given to loggers.

Outside of Big Game seasons these gates should be closed keeping everyone but loggers out.

It is even worse now in 56 since they put a bridge across the Assinaboa River and created easy access to the Provincial Forest from the South.

I really do not know how or why Sask allows firearms to be discharged after dark.

Public safety trumps anyone's Treaty Rights.

If they want to hunt at night they should have to use Archery equipment only???
 
Its not only the Natives.....look at how many white man hunt compared to 15 years ago. Its a huge increase. When you see a truck with a husband, wife, and 2 kids all wanting to whack an animal its no wonder the numbers are down. I personally saw this at the Co-op in Hudson bay 2nd week of elk season.
 
Philthy1 said:
I can at least understand FN rights, but Metis? That's where I'm completely baffled.
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there would be no Canada as you know it without the Metis. fact.... check your fuggen history...... or maybe they don't teach that in grade school social studies class anymore?
My family is Metis , difference between me and you is, while I will recognize my rights under the constitution of canada and the indian act (and powley decision) , I have been, for my entire adult life, supporting "your" right as a non aboriginal to hunt and fish as well. And I will continue to do so , despite the hateful and seriously misinformed/undereducated dimwitts who post thier drivel on the internet.
 
There is a lot of misconception about Metis for sure. Metis does not mean simply that you have some native ancestry. To be Metis your heritage has to trace back to the Red River settlements where families were granted "script" which was land title. Subsequently stolen by white guys and governments.
 
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Who granted the Metis the land/script around Red River/Winnipeg?

Hudson Bay company? Before Confederation?

And WHO exactly was the Hudson Bay Co. ...they stole the land from 1st Nations and granted it to the Metis?

That is a complete joke?

The land ultimately would be given back to the 1 st Nations that originally occupied it?
 
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