New or used O/U?

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GRIFFIN_13

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Hey Folks,

I've been shooting rifle and pistol for 2 years and I'm just getting into the shotgun world. Looking to jump in with both feet as I went to the range this weekend with a buddy and shot clays for the first time. Long story short I should have done this when I started. It was awesome!!!

I'm looking to get into an O/U for around $700-900 should I go new? Or should I wait for my EE application to go through and buy used? What are some makes to avoid and something to strive for? I know very little about what to look for in an o/u other than they're a blast to shoot.

Thanks,
 
Hard to find a good o/u for that budget if buying new and also paying taxes. But that should buy you a used CZ or maybe an older Citori that would serve you well.

Don't feel hung up on getting an o/u though. Your indicated budget would buy a decent autoloader that you could use to get into the clays game.
 
If you went once take whatever shotgun you already have and ask to try other peoples guns

Currently in the700-900 range new tour looking at
AKKAR churchill Orcap O/U - I have this and really like it, good quality and works great over 600 rds no issues and light towel after using in the rain
Bakail Russian o/U looks ok but heavier and tanklike
Baiko O/U sail has a crazy combo of a 12ga and 20ga o/u, never held them but reviews say there popular among guides in Africa

Used you can get
Fixed choke brownings on occasion on EE
Winchester or Remington O/U occasionally on EE

So long as there in good shape you may do better used the hard part is getting to try them.. still I am very happy with my Churchill Akkar O/U. If I was to have guns specifically for trap I'd want something with more weight and recoil management but it shoots well for 3 or 4 games in a morning and will be good for field use upland hunting as well.
 
The Baron said:
Hard to find a good o/u for that budget if buying new and also paying taxes. But that should buy you a used CZ or maybe an older Citori that would serve you well.

Don't feel hung up on getting an o/u though. Your indicated budget would buy a decent autoloader that you could use to get into the clays game.
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Not Stuck on an O/U was just leaning that was for simplicity. Any specific autoloader I should look at in that range?
 
philhut said:
If you went once take whatever shotgun you already have and ask to try other peoples guns

Currently in the700-900 range new tour looking at
AKKAR churchill Orcap O/U - I have this and really like it, good quality and works great over 600 rds no issues and light towel after using in the rain
Bakail Russian o/U looks ok but heavier and tanklike
Baiko O/U sail has a crazy combo of a 12ga and 20ga o/u, never held them but reviews say there popular among guides in Africa

Used you can get
Fixed choke brownings on occasion on EE
Winchester or Remington O/U occasionally on EE

So long as there in good shape you may do better used the hard part is getting to try them.. still I am very happy with my Churchill Akkar O/U. If I was to have guns specifically for trap I'd want something with more weight and recoil management but it shoots well for 3 or 4 games in a morning and will be good for field use upland hunting as well.
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I have a good line on a new Tristar Upland Hunter new for 600 I found browsing around today. Have any knowledge on those seem to be hard to find reviews on?
 
If a autoloader a 1100 would do you good to learn on. I bought.my first o/u for $1000 it was a old fixed choke Citiori and when I sold it I got $1000 for it. If you don't need it tomorrow kind of thing I would buy used. I believe my father has a couple over unders he is thinking about selling. One being a stoger condor in your price range if interested send me a PM and I'll find out forsure
 
GRIFFIN_13 said:
I have a good line on a new Tristar Upland Hunter new for 600 I found browsing around today. Have any knowledge on those seem to be hard to find reviews on?
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I forgot about those. I tried one at Tenda. They seemed functional but the swing of the barrels seemed very loose/easy to swing shut where as the Churchill was tighter than your date on prom night. The fit and finish is ok but inpreffered the churchill plus it came with an amazing case etc... I figured I'd replace the Tristar down the road making it more expensive. The Churchill I think will last a good long time. Between a tristar and a used gun I would take the used gun personally. One issue I found after using some over unders is the quality of barrel alignment and the lock up. If the barrels are not perfectly true strait you will have some learning to do with predicting where your shots go. As for the lock up tight guns tend to break in and loosen up but loose guns get limp and fall open after a while.
 
Buy a used Browning or 101 for 900.00 and shoot it for a while until you learn a bit about the sport. These guns are never going to be worth much less than 900.00 if you want to sell them and go for something else. The cheap Turkish guns will not hold their value, IMHO.
 
OP..I have a Stoeger Condor Competition. Adjustable comb.
Shot the heck out of it on ATA this year, probably put 5000 shells through it in less then 10months.
The but stock had some cracks starting, the fore stock had a fitting issue that caused it to actually break the mounting hardware.
Didnt expect much when I filled out the warranty request...but I was suprised.
They replaced all the afformentoned parts, fully stripped and cleaned it and test fired 50rds each barrel and it was shipped out to them and back repairs within 6 days total!!!
I'm still shooting it. Probably another 2000rds down the pipe since I got it back.
For the ~$800 range new in the box it owes me nothing at all and I've learned alot about trap shooting with that gun!
Good luck shopping!
 
I would speak to jeff at Tillsonburg gun shop (a site sponsor) he knows his shotguns and could probably set you up with something new or used or a least give you some great advice!
 
lacroian said:
I would speak to jeff at Tillsonburg gun shop (a site sponsor) he knows his shotguns and could probably set you up with something new or used or a least give you some great advice!
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LastOutpost said:
Experienced shooters tell me to stick with the "B" guns. This advice have served me well.
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I shoot just a well as guys with B guns with my Grandfathers Model 12, if it shoulders well your body will adapt to any other fitment quirks with the gun.
My M12 was a gift when he passed and probably cost my Grandfather less then 100$ back in 1953, so hey B guns aren't necessarily the way to go either.
And yes...I have B gun too, but it doesn't shoot 25s every week either ��
Just a matter of developing your style and your wallet!
Break 'em all. GT
 
You do recognize that $100 in 1953 is equal to $945 today. That Model 12 was not a cheap gun.
Yes, good scores can be shot with most any gun if it fits you well, or you have skills beyond average. I have had my butt kicked by a good shooter with a Cooey single, but then I have had my good days too.
Browning Citori shotguns are a bargain used - with potential to last until passed on to heirs. Only serious competitive shooters going through many thousands of rounds a year, can wear out a Citori ( which is still rebuildable, but maybe not economically).
 
GoinKZ said:
I shoot just a well as guys with B guns with my Grandfathers Model 12, if it shoulders well your body will adapt to any other fitment quirks with the gun.
My M12 was a gift when he passed and probably cost my Grandfather less then 100$ back in 1953, so hey B guns aren't necessarily the way to go either.
And yes...I have B gun too, but it doesn't shoot 25s every week either ��
Just a matter of developing your style and your wallet!
Break 'em all. GT
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The OP was asking about an O/U. When selecting an O/U, the B guns are well worth considering.
 
If you go used (recommended) check out Tradeex. Do lots of research on the different makers and then scan the shotgun descriptions carefully. Tradeex is great with their descriptions. For under $700 you can get a great O/U. I've bought multiple O/U and SXSs off them over the years and if you research and go over each listing you can walk away with a gem. Might have some speckling or flaking varnish but where else can you get a Rizzini made O/U with chokes for $350!
 
handofzeus said:
If you go used (recommended) check out Tradeex. Do lots of research on the different makers and then scan the shotgun descriptions carefully. Tradeex is great with their descriptions. For under $700 you can get a great O/U. I've bought multiple O/U and SXSs off them over the years and if you research and go over each listing you can walk away with a gem. Might have some speckling or flaking varnish but where else can you get a Rizzini made O/U with chokes for $350!
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I agree, you have to have a good eye and willing to do a little reasearch but the problem is when you try to resell the gun. I have several guns made by SKB, Miroku, Beretta, etc. but branded under another name so their value remains low. For people like us, who do not care if we have several guns taking up space, then that is fine but for others who need the room and are trying to get as much money as possible when they are upgrading, then LastOutPost is spot on. "B" guns will be the best choice for a good quality gun at a reasonable price point, hold their value the most and have the largest over all appeal.

From, first hand experience... Last year I had two over unders for sale. The first one was a Laurona made, 1 generation Winchester 101 made exclusively for the European market. This was prior to the 101 made by Miroku for the North American market but both guns looks and feel exactly the same. I know this because I had both. The Laurona was in very good condition and it had a price tag of $700 but there was no offers just know it alls arguing that Laurona never made a Winchester, even despite the fact that I had all the original paper work and an article showing that Laurona was under contract to Winchester.

The second gun I has for sale was a beat up Browning Citori with five Invectors and no case. The barrel and stock was scratched to hell and the Invectors weren't even the newer Plus system. I had it on for $1000 and I had 5 offers on the gun. The gun sold for just over 1k and the person who bought it was ecstatic that he got his hands on a Citori and thought it was in great shape for the money.

Moral of the story is that if you don't have the space, of the patients, or cash to lose and you want to get into the over under game, it is best to hedge your bets with a "B" gun.
 
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