NR for dangerous game in Ontario

Ive lived and worked in northern ON my whole life and had no dangerous encounters to speak of. Dont overthink it.

I can second the above statement and add that the most dangerous animal I have encountered in the bush are humans, most often you are more a danger to yourself than anything else out there.

I notice your currently from Toronto, now there you have cause for concern, but north of Sudbury the most dangerous thing you will find up there is yourself, and I am serious and sincere when I state that fact.
 
no dangerous game in Ontario? tell that to the mama bear that i interupted while she fed her cubs fish guts 50 yds away pitch black. (policy for all garbage to be in cans by waters edge)... all i saw was her standing on her hind legs 10 yards from me before i departed (alive). Oh, and the cougar? well that was Alberta, so doesnt apply. just get something you like, 44 mag lever or 308 scout.
 
I do a lot of camping in ON, both backpacking and by canoe and I never carry anything other than bear spray. Many places I cannot legally be armed and when I am backpacking, I like to keep things light. Be smart, be aware, keep your property free from things that draw the bears in and you'll be fine. Also, I have only ever seen one wolf, they aren't a factor for me other than I enjoy listening to them howl at night.

Patrick
 
no dangerous game in Ontario? tell that to the mama bear that i interupted while she fed her cubs fish guts 50 yds away pitch black. (policy for all garbage to be in cans by waters edge)... all i saw was her standing on her hind legs 10 yards from me before i departed (alive). Oh, and the cougar? well that was Alberta, so doesnt apply. just get something you like, 44 mag lever or 308 scout.

No doubt it was a scary encounter in the dark, but, I doubt you were in any real danger. Black bear sows do not engage in aggressive defence of their cubs when it comes to humans; and if it does occur, it is a very rare event. If black bear sows were to routinely so defend their cubs, you likely would not be here after encountering that one at 10 metres. Also, standing on the hind legs is not an attack posture; it's investigative on the part of the bear as it is trying to figure out who or what is nearby. Still, I have no trouble believing you in that it was a scary encounter.

There's a lot of misunderstanding and misinformation about wildlife and animal behaviour. There is no truly "dangerous game" in Ontario. Any wild animal can be dangerous given the right set of circumstances, however, as evidenced by the experiences of virtually all bush travelers and campers, the idea of danger posed by Ontario wildlife is greatly overblown.

To the OP, realistically, you are at orders of magnitude of greater risk of death or injury driving to your property on the highway than you are from any wildlife you may encounter on it. But, if you are that concerned, just get a short barreled 12 gauge with slugs and 00 Buck, and leave it at that.
 
At least alittle unnerving. What about a Cougar? I've not seen one, but they are out there apparently.
Don't get me wrong, as stated before, I don't worry about these things. I'm just feeding the conversation to see if there are reasonable concerns for the OP.
 
I hunt for bears. I carry usually a sxs 4570. Recoil is modest with my reloads. However ive used 458wm and 12ga with slugs. Even my biggest bear fell instantly to a single round from a 2506. Ive shot bear and wolf in that area. I always carry a gun. Ive only had 2 charges from bears that i thought they werent going to stop. I shot one at 12' the other i jumped over the hood of the truck and the bear ran into the front fender. I climbed thru the passenger side window and drove off. That one was an angry dump bear in the area where i worked. He was just a #### and normally stopped about 10' with alot of noise

Id go for a 18.5" 12ga. To short of a barrel is not a good thing for nervous new shooters. My 12" barrels can easily be pointed at legs and feet
I think a sxs is a better option than a semi
A just right carbine works great. Cheap and fun and with 10 rounds its quite the deterant and i enjoy carrying mine. I use a 9mm version for grouse and wolf. With hollow points its its quite zippy and 10 rounds into anything should win the day. Ive put a round right beside a bear that was getting to brave in a berry patch and its amazing how fast they can turn and run. He jumped into the river and swam across and climbed a nearly vertical rock wall and never looked back. Just right carbines come in 9mm and 40sw and the tnw comes in 10mm which is a real hammer out of a rifle barrel
Id avoid the mars leg type and go with an actual full length stock carbine. 41 mag or 44mag really thump up close
 
no dangerous game in Ontario? tell that to the mama bear that i interupted while she fed her cubs fish guts 50 yds away pitch black. (policy for all garbage to be in cans by waters edge)... all i saw was her standing on her hind legs 10 yards from me before i departed (alive).

So you saw a bear and you walked away... that would make a great "M. Night Shyamalan" movie...
 
So you saw a bear and you walked away... that would make a great "M. Night Shyamalan" movie...

Insert loud choking guffaw here...:)

Man-eating arboreal bobcats. Bears head-butting trucks. Killer fishers. Chain saws. "Bearanoia" (awesome!).

Even by bear-defense-thread standards, honestly, this stuff is gold.
 
Get something light, low maintenance and useful for something else. The chances of finding a bear dangerous are low but not zero. Depending on where you are, the chances of finding a bear annoying and destructive are quite good.

I'd go with a Kimber Montana, caliber depending on how light you want it. Weather-proof, light and a safety that locks the striker. If it never does anything but provide piece of mind for your wife and a handy noise maker, whats wrong with that?
 
BullonParade,

For the most part bears and wolves will want no part of you. Having said that I think I understand where you are coming from. I have not shot a mares leg but it looks awkward, think...44 lever with a 18 or 20 inch barrel. I think short barrels and handiness is overrated, my goto hunting rifle has a 26" barrel. Think Zastavia M70 in 3006. I don't trust shotguns as much as I used to but each to their own.

Keep it simple and practice. Think more about getting one shot right than bigger magazine capacity.

If you do scope a rifle keep the magnification down. Think 2 or 4power fixed or a 2-7 variable.

Hope this helps.
 
no dangerous game in Ontario? tell that to the mama bear that i interupted while she fed her cubs fish guts 50 yds away pitch black. (policy for all garbage to be in cans by waters edge)... all i saw was her standing on her hind legs 10 yards from me before i departed (alive). Oh, and the cougar? well that was Alberta, so doesnt apply. just get something you like, 44 mag lever or 308 scout.

This reminds me of the episode of Jeopardy where Alex was interviewing the contestants and the one guys story to tell on international TV was "Once I saw a bear". Trebeck was like "OK.....?"
 
The greatest benefit to carrying a gun in wild places is that it gives you the confidence, though not the wisdom, to make good decisions. Whether or not that confidence is false, is up to you. Learn as much as you can about bear behavior, reading the trilogy of bear attack books by James Gary Shelton, and Stephen Herrero's book are a good place to start. Learn bear anatomy so that you can find the benchmarks for making a stopping shot rather than a killing shot, protection isn't hunting, and you should avoid shooting center of mass. Make sure your wife is capable with the rifle and if you can afford two, she should have her own. My wife's rifle is a lightly customized Husqvarna 1640 Carbine in .30/06, cut down to fit her, it has a Ruger barrel band front sight with a rectangular post and an XS ghost ring rear sight. A .30/06 is an intelligent minimum for a protection rifle, even in polar bear and grizzly country, and the .308 is only a short step behind it. If you're hiking in the bush with that rifle slung across your back, it is not available to you; if you need it, you'll need it quickly. Work out a convenient carry method that doesn't result in undue fatigue and that enables you to get the rifle into action quickly. If you are in the habit of carrying a pack, don't take it off when you shoot, the sudden change of weight will thrown you off balance when you need to make a snap shot. Practice should be frequent, but the duration of the practice need not be long. Set up your targets about 5 yards away, shoot as quickly as you can, either after picking the rifle up, or after first having to unsling. When you fire, cycle the action hard and fast and fire a second round as quickly as possible. Your two shots should group no larger than a cell phone, and the first shot should sound no more than 2 seconds from the time the rifle butt hits your shoulder. You will benefit from dry fire drills before going afield.

A semi-auto rifle makes a lot of sense since it will reliably cycle every time, where a manually actuated action can be short stroked under stress, bud I don't believe the requirement for an 18.5" barrel, or 5 shot magazine should be a show stopper. That said, I think you could do very well with a Remington 760/76 pump rifle. It is available in a carbine configuration, it's thin profile makes it pleasing to carry. The detachable magazines can be either a blessing or a disaster; a blessing if you have several, since spare rounds can be conveniently carried in a packet, making recharging the rifle very fast, if that is something that matters to you. DBMs can be a disaster if the one magazine you have is lost, forgotten, or misplaced. Although far from common, these rifles were chambered in .35 Whelen, but the commonly available .30/06, loaded with 180 gr bullets will do all that needs be done, with energy to spare.

I grew up with bolt guns, and those will always be my preference. I've tried to warm up to lever guns, they bruise the knuckles of my shooting hand unless I warp my fingers around the outside of the lever, which works after a fashion, but leaves much to be desired. The Remington M-7 is a nice compact package, and I believe its still available in .350 Magnum, although in such a short light rifle, that might prove a bit much for your wife to manage, so the .308 version is likely a better choice, if you will share a single rifle.

In a protection rifle, I'd send every Remington to a gunsmith to have a barrel band, rectangular post, front sight installed, install a ghost ring rear sight, and have a large handle bolt installed, and to ensure the factory bolt handle won't peel off if under hard use, particularly if you experience a sticky round. If the rifle is not wearing a scope, a notch can be milled in the receiver for stripper clip loading, which is even faster than magazine changes. Something I like to do is move the front sling swivel stud from the underside of the forend to the radius of the forend tip. In this location it can't cut the hand when the rifle recoils. I ran into yet another example of a Remington bolt failure just a couple of weeks ago, this one in a .270 chambered 700 Remington. The neck sized only round was difficult to chamber and he broke off the bolt handle when he attempted to force the bolt handle down, so then he had a loaded round in the chamber, and couldn't fire the rifle since the bolt was out of battery, but he couldn't eject the loaded round either. I was able to get the bolt open, but didn't have an cleaning rod with me to tap out the stuck round, so that was on him.

A Ruger Gunsight Scout in .308 might be more to your liking, since 10 round magazines are available, and it comes with good factory ghost ring and post sights already installed. Another little rifle that has my attention is the Howa Alpine, another short action .308 carbine, although factory iron sights aren't part of the factory package. If you choose to scope your protection rifle, it should be with a low fixed power or a low power variable with a wide field of view, and a reticle that is easily picked out against a dark background; problems frequently occur at night, or in subdued light.
 
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