Putin firing a Kalashnikov Sniper

[gutinater]

it was specifically used by Ukrainian Nazis saluting Nazis during WW 2 how it is not neo-Nazi if it is revitalized now... passports of Russian soldiers doenst mean Russian army is there. All it means that some decided to volunteer. Question is what u were doing there? Does it mean NATO is officially now in war with Russia...? if u were there as a volunteer it is one story... but NovoRossia army also has captured passports of many citizens of NATO countries former soldiers or "soldiers on vacation". This is just a nature of Hybrid Wars.
and u r clearly an enemy I do not agree with.

Believe what you wish but that does not make any of it true. You are calling me a Nazi which is one of the most evil organizations to exist in the history of mankind. I am not a Nazi, no do I sympathize with or support any such groups. I have as much Polish DNA as Ukrainian and my wife is a minority (might be a little hard to hate yourself and your wifelol) But facts don't matter to you. This slogan It is used by the president of Ukraine, the media, the Ukrainian military including Jews. Do you think the Ukrainian Jewish population would be ok with their president using this if it were nazi. If you actually believe this is a civil war and any Russians that are their are on vacation you are beyond ignorant. I guess the little green men that seized Crimea were actually from mars lol. So we both are Canadian (I'm assuming your citizenship) and you call me an enemy knowing nothing about me. That is the Russian mentality that I hate, it's a disease. It's really a shame since I met some more enlightened Russians trying to keep Putinas disease from spreading any further into Ukraine. Good guys really. The Russian people are not the enemy of Ukraine... politicians and Russian invaders are. I guess the Russians armed separatists didn't shoot an airliner out of the sky and coal miners learned how to build and drive tanks overnight. You are a keyboard commando.... ever been to Donbas? Ever talked to the locals? And FYI there are different kinds of volunteer work and fighting was not one of the activities I took part in

 

[gutinater]

And those same members here (Canadians living in this country.. - on the other side of the world) claim to have participated in the Ukrainian conflict by flying military air support missions for the Ukrainian side, while openly criticizing (in the same discussion!) Putin and Russians for taking part in that same conflict (with the goal of trying to prevent NATO expansion right on their border...). Talk about a paradox!

But honestly, nothing surprises me anymore. Almost every Ukrainian that i know has gone full retard after this thing has started. They won't listen to any logical arguments, and become extremely hostile as soon as any related topic comes up. It's sad to see otherwise decent group of people completely succumbing to brainwashing and propaganda to the point of being borderline brain dead.

Which CGN member was flying military support missions for or with the UA army? Also why don't you take up my Facebook friend offer we can talk and you can see pictures of what's going on in the free side

 

[DealersAdvocate]

Russia wants to invade Estonia? ))))
is it necessary?

Russia wants to invade also Mozambik and "Novichok" is everywhere. ... are you a brother to Mrs Clinton ?

what are these guys carrying? HK?

 

[gutinater]

what are these guys carrying? HK?

Yeah old G3's

 

[PECHENEG]

Katyn massacre?

Your claim that it was carried out by the Germans shows exactly where you come from and where your allegiance is.

Not even the Russians are claiming that. The Russian Governments started declassifying documents in the nineties and apologies have actually happened.
In 2010 the Russian Duma passed a resolution stating that "the massacre of Polish POWs at Katyn... were carried out by the NKVD on direct orders of Stalin and others..."
With so many declassified documents now in Polish possession that's impossible to deny anyways.

(BTW not defending the German conduct on the Eastern Front, plenty of crimes to go around there, Babi Yar...)

Anyways, you pretty much demonstrated here who you are.
Further discussion with you is pointless and a waste of time.

Ignore list in 3 - 2 - 1 ...

falsified documents of Eltsin Gorbachyov time ain't evidence.... as one would do anything, call your mother devil etc just to get Western money credits

My grandpa and great grandpa were both in Stalin Gulag for a specific reason i.e. fighting Bolsheviks with firearms.... And you know, based on your sick logic they would be dead right away-shot and then eaten by Stalin. Such a BS. Yes they were in Gulag in the middle of nowhere, yes, there was not enough food and no medical help oftentimes and living conditions were not the best.. but you know how real GULAG looked like??? 250km inside Siberian Taiga Forest, no barb wire and all this BS you see in the movies. Yes they were thrown into the forest and you had to build your dwelling and many died doing this, but there were virtually no prison guards, nobody was shot and even you run away-nobody chases you as 250km away from any village/ town means there is no need in any fence or any prison guard as Siberia guards you by its harsh climate. Almost nobody tried to run away as that equaled death in Taiga forest from starvation, mosquito bites, bears etc. So was it easy-no, was there a reason for Soviets to put my relatives into prison-yes, based on Soviet logic, people who where resisting Communists with guns-were enemies, were they shot and sitting behind barb wire in million numbers-no... so whatever you see in propaganda movies is just such a BS. If you have no clue, just don't even say anything.... Interesting thing is that those Bolsheviks my relatives fraught against also ended up in prisons, but many of those were actually shot as they were clearly ant-Russian and they were specifically eliminating Russians during Lenin's revolution. So do not mix up Stalin repressions.. you mostly hear about Stalin repressions against his own former comrades who turned to be betrayers and Trotskists.
PS by the way, my grandfather and his father were successfully liberated from the camp after 12 years with apologies and complete rehabilitation, except, Stalin never gave back our land... do you think modern Eltsin-Gorbachyov "democrats" so beloved by you, returned lands to my family???? Nope.

 

[PECHENEG]

Believe what you wish but that does not make any of it true. You are calling me a Nazi which is one of the most evil organizations to exist in the history of mankind. I am not a Nazi, no do I sympathize with or support any such groups. I have as much Polish DNA as Ukrainian and my wife is a minority (might be a little hard to hate yourself and your wifelol) But facts don't matter to you. This slogan It is used by the president of Ukraine, the media, the Ukrainian military including Jews. Do you think the Ukrainian Jewish population would be ok with their president using this if it were nazi. If you actually believe this is a civil war and any Russians that are their are on vacation you are beyond ignorant. I guess the little green men that seized Crimea were actually from mars lol. So we both are Canadian (I'm assuming your citizenship) and you call me an enemy knowing nothing about me. That is the Russian mentality that I hate, it's a disease. It's really a shame since I met some more enlightened Russians trying to keep Putinas disease from spreading any further into Ukraine. Good guys really. The Russian people are not the enemy of Ukraine... politicians and Russian invaders are. I guess the Russians armed separatists didn't shoot an airliner out of the sky and coal miners learned how to build and drive tanks overnight. You are a keyboard commando.... ever been to Donbas? Ever talked to the locals? And FYI there are different kinds of volunteer work and fighting was not one of the activities I took part in

Canadians should not interfere into conflicts they have no idea about. My mother is from Western Ukraine, I also have relatives in Eastern part of former Ukraine. Otherwise.... whatever ... you have no clue... travel to former Ukraine doesn't make any difference for you... your blood doesn't feel pain of both sides of the conflict. Continue living in your virtually.
Jews initially supported Deuthcland uber alles too. We now how it ended for Jewish population.
So it was OK for Western special forces to interfere into the conflict, hire snipers who killed both Police and demonstrators, specifically burn Police forces-all these was OK, I suppose, based on your sick anti-logic and based on your sick brain ideas. But when Russia interfered (directly in Crimea and indirectly in Donbass)-that is clearly a problem, right?

You really think DNR shot down the plane, 3 years passed, no evidence shown. I am talking EVIDENCE and not propaganda facebook evidence.

And yes, I've been to Donbass BEFORE the conflict... I had enough brain not to interfere into conflict on either side, as if I were to go and support DNR, I'd be fighting my immediate relatives (cousins)... this is what I call a sick civil War. And believe me West messed up the situation much more initially. I had enough brain not to go and fight for DNR as I saw how Russian gov. betrayed pro-Russian fighters in DNR and killing comandante Mozgovoy.

I really think you are brain washed, you have no clue and blind yourself about the other side of the conflict. Imagine when your mother and your immediate relatives are on one side and your father and your father's distant relatives support the other side.. just imagine that... Finally now, both of my parents support the idea that both West and Russia messed up the situation... at least they are talking to each other now.,.. how long it will take for the rest of former Ukraine to at least start talking and not shooting.... I am afraid very long time if ever

 

[Grock-co]

Putin is the true definition of little man syndrome gone wrong.

 

[PECHENEG]

Now about you gatinater being my enemy.

Yes you are, as a Canadian I believe Canada MUST mind its own business and not interfere into every small little whole Worldwide following the order of its master (aka USA).

I think sticking your head into every dark whole of this planet even with good will etc... creates more problems. There is no good will either way if you are involved into third party military conflict, no matter what you think about it.

So If USSR/Russia gets its troupes into Afghanistan or Ukraine (specifically Crimea)-this is bad will, but when Canada/ USA does the same Worldwide-it is good will as you are bringing so called "democracy and freedom"?
This is sick if you believe this way. Every Country/ political camps in this World follow their interests, no matter what they write in twitter or FB about it.

I hope Canada one day would become a Switzerland of N. America.. create free economic zones, stop following blindly other countries' interests and just mind its own business... first we have to kick out neo-liberal gov. and be very critical re: neo-conservatives, as both are bred from the same incubator. The True North party of some sort, hopefully would come into play.. but before that you have to disconnect people from fake news, twitter, google, FB and other liberal propaganda.

Don't see the point to continue as you are blinded on one eye and to see the truth both eyes should be open and not be scared looking for reality and facts and not follow propaganda on either side.

 

[owlowl]

So If USSR/Russia gets its troupes into Afghanistan or Ukraine (specifically Crimea)-this is bad will, but when Canada/ USA does the same Worldwide-it is good will as you are bringing so called "democracy and freedom"?
This is sick if you believe this way. Every Country/ political camps in this World follow their interests, no matter what they write in twitter or FB about it.

First of all, Canada has 1.2 citizens of Ukrainian origin. Largest in the world after Ukraine and Russia. A lot of people care, this is not some rock in a middle of an ocean.

Second, Crimea was taken by military power and FORCED to be a PART of Russia. The "evil United States" and "corrupt shameless West" didn't attain a square inch of land for themselves since the WWII. Neither in Iraq, nor Afghanistan, nor Serbia, Kosovo and all else you can think of never became a part of US or UK or Germany. It is cornerstone of peace after WWII - land boundaries are fixed and no western power aims to attain any land by force.

Third, Ukraine specifically had both peace treaty with Russia respecting the borders but more over after USSR collapse Ukraine had 3rd LARGEST nuclear arsenal and gave away nuclear weaponry for warranties from US, UK and Russia for the security assurance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances

This is the only time in history someone ever traded nuclear weapons asking just for peace and security from foreign invasions. Putin wasted all that for a little victory for himself. And West blew it with suckers like Merkel and Obama turning a blind eye.

So no, it does matter a lot and Canada should care a lot. Switzerland will never get into a conflict with Russia over Arctic. We, on the other hand, without a doubt face that possibility. Putin's actions towards other countries are the biggest threat world has ever had since Cuban missile crisis plain and simple.

 

[Newfey]

he should be on the receiving end of that rifle....

LOL! Exactly ... Trump ... Trudeau ... Putin ... all on the same team boys ...

 

[PECHENEG]

First of all, Canada has 1.2 citizens of Ukrainian origin. Largest in the world after Ukraine and Russia. A lot of people care, this is not some rock in a middle of an ocean.

Second, Crimea was taken by military power and FORCED to be a PART of Russia. The "evil United States" and "corrupt shameless West" didn't attain a square inch of land for themselves since the WWII. Neither in Iraq, nor Afghanistan, nor Serbia, Kosovo and all else you can think of never became a part of US or UK or Germany. It is cornerstone of peace after WWII - land boundaries are fixed and no western power aims to attain any land by force.

Third, Ukraine specifically had both peace treaty with Russia respecting the borders but more over after USSR collapse Ukraine had 3rd LARGEST nuclear arsenal and gave away nuclear weaponry for warranties from US, UK and Russia for the security assurance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances

This is the only time in history someone ever traded nuclear weapons asking just for peace and security from foreign invasions. Putin wasted all that for a little victory for himself. And West blew it with suckers like Merkel and Obama turning a blind eye.

So no, it does matter a lot and Canada should care a lot. Switzerland will never get into a conflict with Russia over Arctic. We, on the other hand, without a doubt face that possibility. Putin's actions towards other countries are the biggest threat world has ever had since Cuban missile crisis plain and simple.

u r funny,
nobody will invade Canadian North from North.. but southern neighbor of Canada may ask a favor for sure and borrow a good piece. Does Canada have at least one military Ice Braking ship?????????? I can tell you-NOPE. You may come to obvious conclusions after that.

But what made me lough is that Canada has the right to interfere to Ukraine 'coz of 1.2 mln citizens of Ukrainian descent...
now eat this-at least 40% of people in Ukraine are Russian and more than 65% consider Russian as a mother tongue, do you think Russia has more grounds to interfere?

Re: Crimea which was illegally taken from Russia and given to Ukraine.. eat this-most citizens of Crimea supported Russia troupes, THAT'S WHY THERE WERE ONLY 2 or 3 people dead in this special operation, I hope you have enough brain to understand-this is because most citizens of Crimea actually supported Russian troupes. And yes-there were obvious Russian troupes used in Crimea but their presence there was legal and in agreement with Ukraine. By the way, when legit Ukrainian government, which was corrupt, BUT ELECTED, was overthrown by illegal street demonstrations, using firearms and force-thus no voting-then Russian troupes in Crimea had all grounds to protect the legal government of Ukraine and support referendum in Crimea done under Ukrainian legislative system at that time. Russian troupes just backed up referendum of Crimean citizens, that's why there is no war in Crimea and no Police burned alive on the streets by pro-Western barbarians. There were no Russian troupes in Donbass to back up Donbass referendum-that's why there is War and thousands civilians killed by Poroshenko terrorist armies.

 

[murph83]

he should be on the receiving end of that rifle....

While I understand your dislike of Putin,that crazy ol'bastard aint goin' anywhere anytime soon. Kinda hard to lose power when you have the elections rigged in your favor, and your fellow candidates and challengers die in car crashes, or are found dead in ditch shot execution style...yup..ol' Putin will run Russia for many years to come.

 

[medvedqc]

reading it remember me when i served: russia was the enemy and still. cant believe some Canadians are supporting Putin hegemony.



like the wars in ex-yugoslavia where it was never the fault of the serbians ....

 

[gutinater]

reading it remember me when i served: russia was the enemy and still. cant believe some Canadians are supporting Putin hegemony.



like the wars in ex-yugoslavia where it was never the fault of the serbians ....

Agreed. It saddens me and blows my mind at the same time. Putins band of useful idiots will always justify the crimes committed by the Russian government as some kind of reactive measure to the west. Why come to Canada if you are going to consider your fellow Canadians enemies.

I guess for Pecheneg the two Russian spies implicated in the Novichok poisoning were really just as they claimed on Russian TV.... just two ### guys that flew to London for a 1 hour vacation.

 

[medvedqc]

It saddens me and blows my mind at the same time. Putins band of useful idiots will always justify the crimes committed by the Russian government as some kind of reactive measure to the west. Why come to Canada if you are going to consider your fellow Canadians enemies.

I guess the two Russian spies implicated in the Novichok poisoning were really just as they claimed on Russian TV.... just two ### guys that flew to London for a 1 hour vacation.

did you read what i said? i cant believe Canadians supporting Putin: he is our ennemy. you should not be here if you are supporting his actions go there and enjoy his lovely regime that you adore.

 

[gutinater]

No I agree with you, my sarcasm is directed at those who support Putin not you. I edited it to make it more clear.

 

[Ed Smurf]

it was specifically used by Ukrainian Nazis saluting Nazis during WW 2 how it is not neo-Nazi if it is revitalized now... passports of Russian soldiers doenst mean Russian army is there. All it means that some decided to volunteer. Question is what u were doing there? Does it mean NATO is officially now in war with Russia...? if u were there as a volunteer it is one story... but NovoRossia army also has captured passports of many citizens of NATO countries former soldiers or "soldiers on vacation". This is just a nature of Hybrid Wars.
and u r clearly an enemy I do not agree with.

There is no way of proving anybody's point of view, pro or anti Russia. Any "proof" will undoubtedly be seen as "faked"by either side. However the proximity of Russia to Ukraine leads me to believe that a few more Russians are able to enter the country than Western volunteers. Don't hold your breath for real "proof" anytime soon.

 

[owlowl]

now eat this-at least 40% of people in Ukraine are Russian and more than 65% consider Russian as a mother tongue, do you think Russia has more grounds to interfere?

Most people in USA, Canada and Australia consider English as a native language. Does that give Great Britain a right to take land from USA and Canada? Are you delusional or something?

Crimea which was illegally taken from Russia and given to Ukraine.. eat this-most citizens of Crimea supported Russia troupes

The borders of Ukraine and Russia was decided after USSR collapsed. Russia was ok with the border while signing Budapest Treaty, and was ok with the borders while singing Friendship Treaty between Russia and Ukraine in 1997. The Friendship Treaty is re-signed each 10 years and was not broken by Russia in 2008 under Putin, so everything was fine and dandy legally until the invasion came. This is what you would call вероломное нападение (perfidious attack) plain and simple.

Borders were fixed so wars would stop. Can you understand that? Kaliningrad is Kenigsberg, it has nothing to do with Russia and was Prussian land for hundreds of years, can Germany have a referendum in Kaliningrad tomorrow? To stop WWIII we all agreed to fix the borders and stop this madness. Putin broke all that with his mental efforts to restore the empire.

because most citizens of Crimea actually supported Russian troupes.

Illegal as fck. No matter how many people want to get better life, Japan for instance can't possibly invade Vladivostok with troops and let people "vote" to become part of Japan. France can't invade Quebec with an armed force in order to "ask" people of Quebec if they want to join France.

The reason Ukrainian army didn't fight for Crimea and so few were killed is pure shock and disbelieve of "brothers" invading and pillaging while the whole world was watching and doing nothing. But to this moment the war between Ukraine and Russia is on and tens of thousands were killed. So don't make it appear as if nothing horrible happened.

By the way, when legit Ukrainian government, which was corrupt, BUT ELECTED, was overthrown by illegal street demonstrations

Internal political unrest in a sovereign country is not an excuse for another country to invade with military and grab land. Is that really that hard to understand? Poland, Finland, China and Japan do not have a right to take cities from Russia each time there is a demonstration in Moscow.

 

[PECHENEG]

would be interesting to see police burning protesters and shooting at protesters.
what these nazzis did in Odessa, when they burned hundreds of people alive.. would never forget

 

[PECHENEG]

Most people in USA, Canada and Australia consider English as a native language. Does that give Great Britain a right to take land from USA and Canada? Are you delusional or something?



The borders of Ukraine and Russia was decided after USSR collapsed. Russia was ok with the border while signing Budapest Treaty, and was ok with the borders while singing Friendship Treaty between Russia and Ukraine in 1997. The Friendship Treaty is re-signed each 10 years and was not broken by Russia in 2008 under Putin, so everything was fine and dandy legally until the invasion came. This is what you would call вероломное нападение (perfidious attack) plain and simple.

Borders were fixed so wars would stop. Can you understand that? Kaliningrad is Kenigsberg, it has nothing to do with Russia and was Prussian land for hundreds of years, can Germany have a referendum in Kaliningrad tomorrow? To stop WWIII we all agreed to fix the borders and stop this madness. Putin broke all that with his mental efforts to restore the empire.


Illegal as fck. No matter how many people want to get better life, Japan for instance can't possibly invade Vladivostok with troops and let people "vote" to become part of Japan. France can't invade Quebec with an armed force in order to "ask" people of Quebec if they want to join France.

The reason Ukrainian army didn't fight for Crimea and so few were killed is pure shock and disbelieve of "brothers" invading and pillaging while the whole world was watching and doing nothing. But to this moment the war between Ukraine and Russia is on and tens of thousands were killed. So don't make it appear as if nothing horrible happened.



Internal political unrest in a sovereign country is not an excuse for another country to invade with military and grab land. Is that really that hard to understand? Poland, Finland, China and Japan do not have a right to take cities from Russia each time there is a demonstration in Moscow.

Kosovo and Serbia-just an example about after-war borders.
too lazy and tired to comment the rest of your double standard hypocrisy.
Nothing else, it is hard to dispute anything with people who are id...ts