Wk180c and Magazine Issue. *Warranty Work and Update!*

Ok so just to recap the issues so far.
1. Improperly cut chambers that can't run 5.56
2. 1913 pic rail on receiver is not correct and is not to 1913 spec.
3. Multiple magazine issues due to feed ramp clearances
4. Not enough Gas block clearance under the hand guard
5. Needs plastic or tape on receiver to keep the brass from beating the crap out of the receiver.



This is still not horrible for a new cheaply made gun. I just hope this is all the issues we find.
 
CRBurton said:
Ok so just to recap the issues so far.
1. Improperly cut chambers that can't run 5.56
2. 1913 pic rail on receiver is not correct and is not to 1913 spec.
3. Multiple magazine issues due to feed ramp clearances
4. Not enough Gas block clearance under the hand guard
5. Needs plastic or tape on receiver to keep the brass from beating the crap out of the receiver.



This is still not horrible for a new cheaply made gun. I just hope this is all the issues we find.
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lol, nice try, half these are asinine points and the other half have been corrected.
 
lone-wolf said:
lol, nice try, half these are asinine points and the other half have been corrected.
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None of these are deal breaker issues. They are on top of all this stuff and I'm sure it will all be sorted out. Just saving new guys a few pages of reading. No harmful intent meant here, I think they are doing awesome to back the customers.
 
I think that going to a 5.56 chamber is a mistake. I would much rather see a properly cut Wylde chamber in these (and every 223 rifle). There is nothing wrong with a Wylde chamber if it's cut right and the same problems can happen with a 5.56 or 223 Rem chamber if not cut correctly.

CRBurton said:
Ok so just to recap the issues so far.
1. Improperly cut chambers that can't run 5.56
2. 1913 pic rail on receiver is not correct and is not to 1913 spec.
3. Multiple magazine issues due to feed ramp clearances
4. Not enough Gas block clearance under the hand guard
5. Needs plastic or tape on receiver to keep the brass from beating the crap out of the receiver.

This is still not horrible for a new cheaply made gun. I just hope this is all the issues we find.
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1. Issue corrected with new rifles and affected rifles are repaired under warranty.
2. You can find this "problem" on any brand of rifle out there. I use QD mounts for my scopes and if I move a scope from my ACR to an AR or the XCR I just sold or any of my other rifles the mount needs to be adjusted for each rifle.
3. Has already been acknowledged that a few early rifles slipped out with the gap below the barrel extension but all rifles after that have been corrected so not really a concern for most people.
4. Not enough clearance for what? Is it contacting the handguard while firing? I wasn't aware that people were finding it to be an issue.
5. This is common on rifles of this type, my 180B-2 does it and so did my Swiss Arms, it doesn't hurt anything and will never be the cause of a failure. It's not beating the crap out of it, it's making a little ding that leaves a little brass behind and sometimes dents the brass a little. Not a big deal and nothing to be concerned with. Guys have been sticking the loop side of some velcro behind the ejection port of their Swiss Arms rifles for years to stop them from getting the brass colored dings.

So from your list only #3 is a real issue and it only affects a few of the first rifles released. Not a point of concern for most.

I'm sure there will be more issues from the nit-pickers who want a rifle built to HK standards but for $1000.
I think these rifles have had only a fraction of the issues that a BCL 102 comes with for almost double the price and I consider these issues minor compared to the SLR receivers people paid $1000 for and parts wouldn't fit.
As has been mentioned before, keep your expectations realistic and you should be very happy with your purchase.
Be glad we've got Wolverine and Kodiak standing behind these instead of the other guys.
 
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I agree that with the prototype and production of a brand new rifle they are bound to make mistakes. I also agree that They are doing everything to fix all the issues. The only mistake they are not going to fix is the rail, and that is not a huge deal because there are still a lot of mount options that do work. I bet they wished they would have googled what a pic rail was before they tried to make one. Haha
All in all when considering price, it's a good rifle. Only when you factor in the price though. This is the true win, and the best thing about the wk180. It's cheap, one could even say Chinese cheap. This is huge for customers and allows a lot more guys to shoot an AR type rifle.
Another bonus is as these rifles get used and they are common on the used market. People will be able to get a used one in five years for 7-8 hundred bucks. This means even more people will be able to pick one up.
I think they hit the mark they were aiming for and they did a service for Canadian shooters. I just think people need to know what they are buying without the hype.
 
Reading about the nylon flanged insert for the gas piston, I was wondering if anyone tried to replace it with a brass one? After all, its a plastic part in the area that can get heated up significantly.
 
rasputin said:
Reading about the nylon flanged insert for the gas piston, I was wondering if anyone tried to replace it with a brass one? After all, its a plastic part in the area that can get heated up significantly.
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Component material specification starts out with what materials can serve the purpose of the intended part. It is followed up by material compatibility with its environment and operating conditions. Followed by which is the least inexpensive (Determined by installation, operating, servicing, etc... considerations). Material science has advanced considerably since the 1960's. At that time brass was probably the cheapest option. Fast forward 50 years and brass has been getting more expensive while plastic pricing has gone down and its capabililties has gone up. I am confident any "issues" with the material would have been discovered by Wolverine when abusing the"Dog" during durability evaluation.

Cheers,

L
 
lmar said:
Component material specification starts out with what materials can serve the purpose of the intended part. It is followed up by material compatibility with its environment and operating conditions. Followed by which is the least inexpensive (Determined by installation, operating, servicing, etc... considerations). Material science has advanced considerably since the 1960's. At that time brass was probably the cheapest option. Fast forward 50 years and brass has been getting more expensive while plastic pricing has gone down and its capabililties has gone up. I am confident any "issues" with the material would have been discovered by Wolverine when abusing the"Dog" during durability evaluation.

Cheers,

L
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I think he is just wondering under what type or use of abuse would cause the bushing to melt. Mainly because it will melt if pushed to far. Mr Wolverine even said so.
 
CRBurton said:
I think he is just wondering under what type or use of abuse would cause the bushing to melt. Mainly because it will melt if pushed to far. Mr Wolverine even said so.
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You will need to fire 400+ rds just as fast as you can pull the trigger, (will need all the ammo pre loaded in mags), in order to melt the bushing. I would be more concerned with what that amount of heat would be doing to the barrel. With a melted bushing the gun rifle still functioned with out a problem. You will also need a snow bank or cold water tank to cool the rifle down enough so that you can still hold her. In fact this reminds me that I really should replace it. :)
 
Mr Wolverine said:
You will need to fire 400+ rds just as fast as you can pull the trigger, (will need all the ammo pre loaded in mags), in order to melt the bushing. I would be more concerned with what that amount of heat would be doing to the barrel. With a melted bushing the gun rifle still functioned with out a problem. You will also need a snow bank or cold water tank to cool the rifle down enough so that you can still hold her. In fact this reminds me that I really should replace it. :)
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Perfect answer Mr Wolverine, that's why this type of info is best from the source. Thank you
 
rasputin said:
Reading about the nylon flanged insert for the gas piston, I was wondering if anyone tried to replace it with a brass one? After all, its a plastic part in the area that can get heated up significantly.
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Pretty sure it's not made from Chinese toy quality plastic. As Mr Wolverine said, you would have to run a lot of ammo through the rifle in a very short amount of time to melt it and the damage done to the barrel would be of much greater concern to me than a $2 plastic bushing getting melted.
I'm sure if someone was intent on ruining their rifle just to see if they could melt it they would succeed but why would anyone with any common sense do that just to prove it could be done.
I know there are guys like that out there though, I still remember shaking my head while reading about the guy that was shooting his Swiss Arms full of water just because the manufacturer said the rifle would survive. He ruined his barrel during that silliness, entertaining but dumb.
 
So update on this.
Rifle was sent back to Kodiak Defense for chamber reaming and to fix the feed ramps.
Kodiak received the rifle at around 1100 hrs on a weekday.
They remachined the ramps/barrel extension and reamed the chamber put the rifle back in the box and mailed it back the same day!
Got the rifle today to find they even threw in a free Kodiak Def slick T-Shirt.
The work looks clean and well done.
I'll try and get some pics up when I get off 16hr days for two weeks straight :(

Will give an updated shooting review as well as an overall practical review of the rifle with accuracy and reliability etc with the reamed chamber and remachined feed ramps.
More to follow!

Kodiak Defense; literally blown away by the customer service and turn around on this. Unbelievable and thank you. Class act all around. I wish all companies could conduct themselves in this manner in Canada.
Anyone else having small issues with the early batch of rifles can rest assured/easy I would think.
 
Travis Bickle said:
So update on this.
Rifle was sent back to Kodiak Defense for chamber reaming and to fix the feed ramps.
Kodiak received the rifle at around 1100 hrs on a weekday.
They remachined the ramps/barrel extension and reamed the chamber put the rifle back in the box and mailed it back the same day!
Got the rifle today to find they even threw in a free Kodiak Def slick T-Shirt.
The work looks clean and well done.
I'll try and get some pics up when I get off 16hr days for two weeks straight :(

Will give an updated shooting review as well as an overall practical review of the rifle with accuracy and reliability etc with the reamed chamber and remachined feed ramps.
More to follow!

Kodiak Defense; literally blown away by the customer service and turn around on this. Unbelievable and thank you. Class act all around. I wish all companies could conduct themselves in this manner in Canada.
Anyone else having small issues with the early batch of rifles can rest assured/easy I would think.
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Thank you for the update!

Im really curious how the rifle performs now

Let us know as soon as you can!


Thanks
 
With time I'm sure their machining quality Will match their customer service. Then they will have a winning combination.
 
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KodiakDefence said:
First, we do not advise home remedies such as taking a Dremel to your receiver; such modifications will obviously void the warranty.

Kodiak Defence is proud of the firearms we make. We stand behind them 100% and will of course remedy any mechanical fault. Please contact Service@KodiakDefence.com, being sure to include your rifle's Serial Number so we can begin the warranty process. While we can't promise specific turnaround times on warranty service, we haven't had a rifle in the shop yet for more than a week, let alone six months.

The Kodiak Defence Team
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I can attest that Kodiak is extremely responsive to consumer issues, and turn around warranty issues fast. They care.

Mr Wolverine said:
Thank you, but Is there really any other way to run a business?
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And these guys do, also.

Travis Bickle said:
So update on this.
They remachined the ramps/barrel extension and reamed the chamber put the rifle back in the box and mailed it back the same day!
Got the rifle today to find they even threw in a free Kodiak Def slick T-Shirt.
The work looks clean and well done.

Kodiak Defense; literally blown away by the customer service and turn around on this. Unbelievable and thank you. Class act all around. I wish all companies could conduct themselves in this manner in Canada.
Anyone else having small issues with the early batch of rifles can rest assured/easy I would think.
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That's how fast my turnaround was when I sent them a rifle. Glad yours was same, they are consistent. And you are right, more businesses need to adopt this attitude.
 
RWA just said they are making uppers for the WK180c. I'm guessing they are 7.62x39. I love the way the market is supporting this rifle. I'm glad I bought 2.
 
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