A.R.M.S. #41B folding sight and others.

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Anyone have this sight and what do you think of it?

https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1QSpiI###XXaC###Xq6xXF###u/A-R-M-S-41B-Folding-Front-Sight-2-color-Black-Tan-Free-Shipping.jpg

Going through folding front sight options for my Stag-10 and considering this because it “looks” rigid enough for primary use... I will be running a QR scope set-up.

I’m staying away from the long railed/Key-mod/M-lok type forearm and went with the PRI Gen III Delta as all I need is one rail at the bottom for a bi-pod... possibly a VFG. No lasers, lights, nightvison, etc, etc... so I need a gasblock mounted front sight. Also considering a railed gas block but my concern is weight with an added flip-up.
 
Is the top rail of the stag the same height over the bore axis as a regular ar15 rifle? If not, I doubt any typical of the most common rear sights will even line up. Considering the front sight in question would be mounted on the barrel, exactly the same as the AR15 but the rear sight is going to sit significantly higher is my guess.
 
FoxAlpha said:
Is the top rail of the stag the same height over the bore axis as a regular ar15 rifle? If not, I doubt any typical of the most common rear sights will even line up. Considering the front sight in question would be mounted on the barrel, exactly the same as the AR15 but the rear sight is going to sit significantly higher is my guess.
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Ah... I missed that detail. Gen I DPMS pattern rifles are ~1/8” higher then a standard AR-15. I can still use the front sight but I’ll have to find an appropriate rear sight... or visa-versa. I guess my best bet is a 1.350” railed gas block if I can find one...

yohann160 said:
Yeah, I'm going to have to go ahead and tell you to sort of... Get a low profile gas block and have a little faith in modern high quality optics.
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I like using iron sight.
 
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You are going back to the past to use things that are not used anymore for good reasons. Unless you want to build a retro rifle from the early to mid 2000, I will stay away from the outdated ARMS and Precision Reflex hand guard. I can write many paragraphs about why there are better options in 2018.
 
greentips said:
You are going back to the past to use things that are not used anymore for good reasons. Unless you want to build a retro rifle from the early to mid 2000, I will stay away from the outdated ARMS and Precision Reflex hand guard. I can write many paragraphs about why there are better options in 2018.
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lol

What does “keeping up with the Jones’” have to do with my personal application of the rifle and preference? Just because everyone else is using long forarm doesn’t mean I need to. It doesn’t suit my intended usage.

I don’t have the need for a long forearm with a huge amount of realestate. No accessories are needed except a QD bi-pod and perhaps a VFG... atleast not on this upper. The extra length will just add weight as my shooting stance isn’t... Chris Costa.

Just looking for a good set of folding sights as I intend to use them as a primary... using irons is my prerogative for every gun I own.

Perhaps I’m not all into this whole “tactical” motif.
 
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That kind of free floating hand guard is not used because they tend to "rotate" and become loose. That is why Larue put anti-rotation tab on that kind of handguard design.

And that kind of clamp on gas block tends to get knocked around and rotates, especially when it is exposed outside of the handguard . when the gas block is out of alignment it turns the gun into a bolt action.

Of course you are free to use whatever you like.
 
Not a fan of the ones that are attached/part of the gas block. There is a separate flip up iron sight that attaches to the barrel, however I haven't been able to find one. The RCMP C8IUR uses this type. But again I haven't found it for sale anywhere. Plus as already mentioned there is a height difference with the Stag 10 / DPMS AR308 rifles vs AR15.

The railed gas block idea is your best bet. I actually do have back up iron sights on an Armalite AR10t where the front sight is on the railed gas block. Sorry I don't have any current photos with backup sights on. But you can see the railed gas block with this photo. Edit: I've added some newer photos which do show the GG&G sights.

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The backup sights that go with the Canadian forces AR10t are the GG&G ones. They are decent quality and look good on a more retro style AR10.

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greentips said:
That kind of free floating hand guard is not used because they tend to "rotate" and become loose. That is why Larue put anti-rotation tab on that kind of handguard design.

And that kind of clamp on gas block tends to get knocked around and rotates, especially when it is exposed outside of the handguard . when the gas block is out of alignment it turns the gun into a bolt action.

Of course you are free to use whatever you like.
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Read up about that before hand. The early ones had that issue which is now resolved with the Gen III.

Still looking at front sight options.

Epoxy7 said:
Not a fan of the ones that are attached/part of the gas block. There is a separate flip up iron sight that attaches to the barrel, however I haven't been able to find one. The RCMP C8IUR uses this type. But again I haven't found it for sale anywhere. Plus as already mentioned there is a height difference with the Stag 10 / DPMS AR308 rifles vs AR15.

The railed gas block idea is your best bet. I actually do have back up iron sights on an Armalite AR10t where the front sight is on the railed gas block. Sorry I don't have any current photos with backup sights on. But you can see the railed gas block with this photo.

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The backup sights that go with the Canadian forces AR10t are the GG&G ones. They are decent quality and look good on a more retro style AR10.

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Yeah, that was my original plan and I’m probably going that route. That’s why I started this thread to see what the opinions are on integral gasblocc sights.
 
BeaverMeat said:
Read up about that before hand. The early ones had that issue which is now resolved with the Gen III.

Still looking at front sight options.



Yeah, that was my original plan and I’m probably going that route. That’s why I started this thread to see what the opinions are on integral gasblocc sights.
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I edited my post to show the AR10t with the GG&G sights down and up. They fold but they lock in place both up and down. Really nice quality sights.
 
I have a fixed front sight on both of my ar's along with an Elcan on one and an Aimpoint Pro on the other and the front site co-witnesses just fine on both rifles.
I'm not a fan of folding sights. Things with moving parts break easier then solid objects.
 
Striker said:
I have a fixed front sight on both of my ar's along with an Elcan on one and an Aimpoint Pro on the other and the front site co-witnesses just fine on both rifles.
I'm not a fan of folding sights. Things with moving parts break easier then solid objects.
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x2 that was me before I used this one. I was very skeptical. I am,/ was however plesently surprised. very sturdy
 
I generally use fixed or solid flip up iron sights with red dots or low mag scopes 1x or 1.5x where you can 1/3rd cowitness. I keep them in the up position. However with higher power optics I really like the 45 degree offset iron sights. Especially with a Sopmod or A frame stock. A quick release scope mount with flip iron sights is my second choice. It works but I really do prefer the 45 degree irons.

I would recommend going this route. A MI handguard and you’re good to go.
 
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Apparently most flip-up front sights for AR-10 pic rail gas blocks are discontinued. YHM and GG&G to name a few. Looks like MI is the only one available.
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Figures. I ran into that problem with A2 stocks as well. The butt pad on those AR10t rifles have Accuracy speaks adjustable pads on them. They allow you to adjust LOP, raise the pad up and tilt it as well. Gives you the adjust ability minus the cheek riser. I was thinking a more retro look with a Stag 10 and the green A2 stock that was on my AR10t before I sourced the correct one with the accuracy speaks but pad. But.. no luck. Discontinued.

Have you looked at the Troy ones? They offer the HK style and the regular AR front sight. Looking into it the Stag and many others use the same gas blocks as the AR15.

There are also troy sights in Canada at $180 for the front gas block one, so not cheap. The only thing is they include a QR sling swivel built into the sight. I'm not sure I like that on a metal aiming device. That's the last place I want any stress.

So a quick check for you. As the AR10t for the Canadian army was a Wolverine supplies project.... and the AR10t came with GG&G sights for the Canadian military..

Here you go GG&G $175 for the front sight. The same price I found for the Troy in Canada . The rear buis is over $200. I forgot how expensive these things were.

https://www.wolverinesupplies.com/ProductDetail/GGG1023_GG-G-Front-Flip-Up-Sight-for-Dovetail-Gas-Blocks

Edited: Oops.. the OP pointed out that this sight listed above is the AR15 height and not the AR10/AR 308 DPMS high / Armalite height. Night shifts... my only excuse!! :redface: That and MDR distraction..
 
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