German New Service Rifle Selection just ran into road block

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If you can read German, but the translated version is quoted

https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article182047984/Nachfolger-fuer-G36-Neue-Sturmgewehre-fuer-Bundeswehr-scheitern-im-Test.html

Looks like the Bundeswehr have problems with figuring out what they actually want, and they wrote ####ty RFB. It can't be true both HK and Haenel read the RFB wrong.

New assault rifle models for German soldiers fall through
Published on 14.10.2018 | Reading time: 3 minutes
Thorsten Jungholt
By Thorsten Jungholt
political editor

The Bundeswehr has difficulties in purchasing new assault rifles. None of the offered weapons from different manufacturers meet the requirements.

Source: WORLD / Isabelle Bhuiyan
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The Bundeswehr has problems with the purchase of new assault rifles, as emerges from an internal paper.

The Bundeswehr has unexpected problems with the purchase of new assault rifles. In the first tests of the weapons offered by different manufacturers none of the requirements of the armed forces. Comparative testing has shown that "none of the products offered fulfills all the services required by the contracting authority," according to a confidential letter from the Federal Office for Equipment, Information Technology and Use of the Bundeswehr (BAAINBw) to the Ministry of Defense. The paper is available to the WORLD ON SUNDAY.

Minister Ursula von der Leyen (CDU) had decided to cancel the assault rifle G36, currently the order weapon of the Bundeswehr, and in 2021 to replace it with a successor model. The international tender procedure for the new rifles began in April 2017 with a definition of the required performance data. In September 2017, defense companies were asked to submit bids. In February 2018 the offer period ended.
No rifle met the requirements

Since then, so-called "pre-contractual comparative trials" of the offered rifles have been carried out. It "turned out contrary to expect that the fulfillment of individual must-claims by the presented assault rifles could not be provided," it says in a letter from the Procurement Office. The companies were granted a deadline of 15 February 2019 to remedy the deficiencies. Then the rifles have to be checked again. This delay "the project by about eight months," said the authority.

In addition, the Federal Court of Auditors doubts that the penetration rate of the rifles required in the call for tenders fundamentally meets the requirements of the Bundeswehr. The auditors substantiate their doubts with a "study of the army" and "demands" of the armed forces base, as stated in the letter from BAAINBw. The companies had submitted only offers for rifles with the caliber 5.56 millimeters. However, some forces demanded at least partial equipment with the larger 7.62-millimeter caliber.

The Court of Auditors has been assured that the Procurement Office will write to the Ministry "to verify penetration performance by means of separate investigations" in order to remedy the concerns. The results should then be evaluated by the planning office of the Bundeswehr . In a negative assessment "the award procedure would be canceled," it continues. If it came to that, the Bundeswehr would have to wait many more years for a new assault rifle.

For reasons of procurement law, the Ministry of Defense keeps secret which companies have applied for the contract. It is known that the handgun armored Heckler & Koch , which also manufactures the G36, is one of the applicants. The G36 was the subject of a dispute between the Leyen and the manufacturer. The minister had given her opinion on insufficient accuracy of the assault rifle under extreme conditions such as sustained fire or great heat.


Surveys of experienced soldiers had revealed, however, that the G36 was reliable and easy to use. In addition, a court had confirmed to the manufacturer that the standard weapon of the German Armed Forces had no deficiencies compared to the contractual requirements. Nevertheless, the Leyen decided to cancel all 167,000 G36 rifles in the armed forces.

Now tendered are 120,000 new assault rifles for the price of 250 million euros. Due to also advertised accessories, the order volume grows to around 400 million euros. The actual price will then be negotiated with the selected manufacturer only after an award decision. In any case, the delay will incur further costs. Thus, for the new tests material costs in the amount of 750,000 euros would be due, writes the BAAINBw. In addition there would be personnel costs.

The longer useful life of the G36 may also require "regeneration" of the old rifle. A Defense Department spokesman did not want to comment on that. He said only that until the completion of the procurement process for a new weapon "the operational capability of the G36 assault rifle is fully ensured."
 
They should just revisit the G41 rifle, a STANAG-compliant HK33.
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Fricking politicians... Why try and fix something that isn't broke? Is the G36 the best infantry rifle around? Debatable. But it's certainly top tier. It works. It's reliable. Why replace it with an unknown?
 
Fricking politicians... Why try and fix something that isn't broke? Is the G36 the best infantry rifle around? Debatable. But it's certainly top tier. It works. It's reliable. Why replace it with an unknown?

German Army is in shambles while Russia is rising threat.
They have already restarted production of Leopard II tank and we should logically expect a major upgrade to Luftwaffe soon.
All of this, because they basically defunded their armed forces after the end of the Cold War and Europe is getting hotter!
 
Here we go again. I agree about the politicians, but a lot of this has to do with beaurocrats sitting in little offices, not connected to the real world, and not realizing that there are certain universal principles that can't be changed just because they don't like them. We always seem to come back to the "Unicorn" A bunch of people sit in a room talking about requirements for something that they know absolutely nothing about. Then they task the manufacturers with making the impossible, and when the manufacturers can't change the laws of physics, they cancel the whole thing.

"We want a rifle that will shoot fully automatic for a 5 minute period without heating up, and the point of impact must be the same before and after the test. It must have a heavy barrel to withstand sustained firing, but the whole thing can't weigh more than 7 pounds. We want a quick barrel change option, but when the barrel is changed we don't want a change in the point of impact. We want the same action to be able to fire 5.56mm and 7.62, and any other weird or wonderful cartridge that we decide that it might need to fire, and it has to do it all with the same bolt, even thought the cartridge heads are different sizes. It has to be able to shoot 5" gruops at 1000 meters and be able to stop a medium armored vehicle, but if can't exhibit over-penetration in an urban setting................What do you mean you haven't got something like that on the shelf, and you're not even sure if you can build one?"
 
German Army is in shambles while Russia is rising threat.
They have already restarted production of Leopard II tank and we should logically expect a major upgrade to Luftwaffe soon.
All of this, because they basically defunded their armed forces after the end of the Cold War and Europe is getting hotter!

a littleheat in europe will help I believe, finally those countries are realizing the USA will not come to help...
After defecating on the USA fir the past 20 years, your old friend doesnt care about you anymore.
good old days are over, youre on your own now boys
Canada should be paying attention, NATO exists in name only. Trump will not intervene in Europe, no way, not now, not ever while he is in office.
Sometimes I even wish Russia would invade and teach those pompous europeans about war, they seem to have forgotten, they would cut through poland and germany like a knife through butter, would be over in 20 days, they would stop at France because of the nukes, and the French would use them, to defend France, they had enough of two goes at the rodeo... But they wont use them to defend germany or poland, no way!

Might even be better with Russia in charge...
 
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Germany is a nation that is rapidly disappearing. Merkel(who is not German by origins) allowed millions into the country where rape murder, Islamic Terrorism,crime, gang rapes, and a massive welfare class has been introduced from the Middle East. Civil war & Chaos will enventually erupt. Demographics are destiny. Beautiful Europe with it’s cathedrals, art, Christianity are doomed. The leaders of Europe want to fundamentally change Europe forever & turn it into a Eurarabia with African type mix.I had rare opportunity too strike a conversation with some European politicians in the late 90’s & that was the plan. Weird stuff at the time when hearing them joyfully celebrate this plan.

The left runs Europe with Marxist education. This is why spiegel News paper started the whole G36 nonsense 10 years ago because that is what commies do, it’s called sabotage. Watch the move DR Shavago from the 60’s. Politics effect militaries and the West in my mind is too busy figuring out PC social engineering with the main focus on what bathroom to use. My advice is buy what you can from Germany 🇩🇪, God knows where that country will be in another 10 years.

As for the G36 itself. I prefer the K version but really the G36 although is a great gun,but if NATO even matters still going forward then the HK416 would be great, but really who cares. If Russia invades its going nuclear, or Russia will take it. As previously mentioned above. Fighting off Islamic insurgency in Europe will be the real pressing and ongoing concern I for see in the next 75years. Basically Kosovo, Bosnia but all over Europe at this rate.

The G36 always had some of the best performance, the new stock was really nice addiction. Oh well lol.
 
I had a nice time reading about the Germans selecting a new service rifle (They should just go with the 416). Then It got weird with people talking about the invasion and downfall of Europe. Geeze guys.
 
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I had a nice time reading about the Germans selecting a new service rifle (They should just go with the 416). Then It got weird with people talking about the invasion and downfall of Europe. Geeze guys.

Perhaps you should go too Europe. Reality can be weird. Lol. Being naive & geopolitical unaware doesn’t really suit people that respect the rule of law, also you are in a sport/ property rights battle to own firearms, so perhaps being aware of our ever changing world would be a big bonus. Just look what happened to UK in regards to firearms laws.

As for the 416 it’s hard to say with the ongoings in Germany if the political realities will even allow for new weapons procurement to be purchased. The whole thing is up in the air.
 
Germany is a nation that is rapidly disappearing. Merkel(who is not German by origins) allowed millions into the country where rape murder, Islamic Terrorism,crime, gang rapes, and a massive welfare class has been introduced from the Middle East. Civil war & Chaos will enventually erupt. Demographics are destiny. Beautiful Europe with it’s cathedrals, art, Christianity are doomed. The leaders of Europe want to fundamentally change Europe forever & turn it into a Eurarabia with African type mix.I had rare opportunity too strike a conversation with some European politicians in the late 90’s & that was the plan. Weird stuff at the time when hearing them joyfully celebrate this plan.

The left runs Europe with Marxist education. This is why spiegel News paper started the whole G36 nonsense 10 years ago because that is what commies do, it’s called sabotage. Watch the move DR Shavago from the 60’s. Politics effect militaries and the West in my mind is too busy figuring out PC social engineering with the main focus on what bathroom to use. My advice is buy what you can from Germany ����, God knows where that country will be in another 10 years.

As for the G36 itself. I prefer the K version but really the G36 although is a great gun,but if NATO even matters still going forward then the HK416 would be great, but really who cares. If Russia invades its going nuclear, or Russia will take it. As previously mentioned above. Fighting off Islamic insurgency in Europe will be the real pressing and ongoing concern I for see in the next 75years. Basically Kosovo, Bosnia but all over Europe at this rate.

The G36 always had some of the best performance, the new stock was really nice addiction. Oh well lol.

bieng an ossie doesnt mean she is not german ....

none of us shoud be happy if any collapse is happening in Europe because it will come to us sooner or later. we do not have nukes here ....
 
I had a nice time reading about the Germans selecting a new service rifle (They should just go with the 416). Then It got weird with people talking about the invasion and downfall of Europe. Geeze guys.

You can't really talk about the G36 without taking about the leftist witch hunt against it, and if you're talking about leftists the rest just writes itself.
 
You can't really talk about the G36 without taking about the leftist witch hunt against it, and if you're talking about leftists the rest just writes itself.

And you hit the Nail on the head right there. That’s what started the whole mess over there in regards to the G36, it’s also just the mentality of commies in Germany & Europe in general. Reality is kicking in though but in my opinion as of right now it’s way too late. But I guarantee you the leaders want the best protection for themselves. Similar to the Soviet Union’s czars driving around in Mercedes lol.

Merkel is evil, but most Germans of today are weak minded people severely bruised because of WW2 Stockholm syndrome lol, I have friends over there so I have a good idea what was going on there. The US/ big families empowered to many leftist over there. Talking with Germans back 14 years ago and there views on guns and the US was antifia on steroids. They were arrogant, ignorant, and mechanically uninformed which is an oxymoron for Germans. Haha. They despised there military almost too, they were very happy when the compulsory service ended.

So that demographic is in power over there, and they are bent on tearing it all down. Lol. I wouldn’t be surprised if HK has to move one day. Lol. Just look at the problems HK has had with exporting firearms and making them non military looking. Example SL8 MR556 MR223 changes too.

Politics go hand in hand with policy over there. Western nations are in the same mindset in government.

Funny thing is talking what gun to buy and why is useless because they don’t care what’s best for the German army. The bureaucrats are too ignorant and ideological driven too not care but sabotage the whole thing. Lol.
 
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