Hunting without PAL
- Thread starter sparky1972
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Bustercluck
CGN Regular
- Location
- Fort McMurray
Sounds like our hunting regs are quite a bit easier to deal with out west. A lot of bad ideas seem to come out of Ontario...
Don't know where this "1 pal one gun" is coming from. I think it is BS.
Here in BC you can get a youth hunting license for kids between 11 and 17 years old. Then you sign a form taking all the responsibilities for the minor carrying a firearm and off you go.
From the government site:
"If you do not own a firearm and your hunting partner lends you one, provided that he or she directly and immediately supervises you, you may hunt with that firearm. The person supervising must have a federal firearms licence (PAL or POL).
Youth (ages 10 to 17 inclusive) who hunt in B.C. must be accompanied by an adult (18 years or older) who holds a valid hunting licence. Under the Wildlife Act, “accompanied” means to remain:
In the company of the other person
Able to see the other person without the aid of any device other than ordinary corrective lenses
Able to communicate by unamplified voice with the other person"
Here in BC you can get a youth hunting license for kids between 11 and 17 years old. Then you sign a form taking all the responsibilities for the minor carrying a firearm and off you go.
From the government site:
"If you do not own a firearm and your hunting partner lends you one, provided that he or she directly and immediately supervises you, you may hunt with that firearm. The person supervising must have a federal firearms licence (PAL or POL).
Youth (ages 10 to 17 inclusive) who hunt in B.C. must be accompanied by an adult (18 years or older) who holds a valid hunting licence. Under the Wildlife Act, “accompanied” means to remain:
In the company of the other person
Able to see the other person without the aid of any device other than ordinary corrective lenses
Able to communicate by unamplified voice with the other person"
I don't think anyone is saying that, at least I'm not.
You most definitely can directly and immediately supervise someone in the field... You could certainly get an officer who was happy with you being just on the same property, or you could get one who interprets direct and immediate the way most every cop does, meaning at arms length and doing nothing else but directly supervising. How much risk you want to adopt to let someone without a PAL hunt is of course up to each individual.
I grew up hunting long before I was eligible to do it legally. I flew back with guns solo from a bird hunting trip in NB in high school. Air Canada didn't bat an eye. I brought a freaking SMLE to junior high for a history presentation. It was just as illegal then, the difference was nobody cared unless there was a reason to otherwise.
Different times back then. I sure wouldn't dream of anything like that now, kid brings rifle to school would be a front page headline.
I've been out shooting with a group of non PAL holders in a gravel pit, and the cops showed up to investigate. When it came to the first guy without a PAL, I said to the officer that I was directly and immediately supervising him. He said "yup, that's fine as long as you're right behind them and just supervising when they're using the gun." Pretty consistent with how I've always understood directly and immediately to be applied.
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That may or may not be true but I would take it as not true just to be safe . U don’t want to end up the charged for anything just because co didn’t get any last night and in a pissy mood and decides to stick everything and anything he can on you
someone worried about ratting out sounds like a poacher
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I hear ya
not looking to pick fights.
I remember a day when we just grabbed buddies dad's 22's and rode our bikes and later drove our cars to a small island off the fraser river. Had to take a small car ferry to get there and we never hid the rifles. We would shoot bunnies and bring them back for BBQ. Did that for a few years till one day an rcmp member showed up at buddies dad's door. It ended the bunny hunting trips but the guns never got taken and no one really got in any trouble LOL. Was a different time but not that long before C68.
When i started getting into firearms i just had a permit to carry firearms, purchased at the gun store and issued by the province. We never got hassled when out shooting on crown land around the lowermainland but one of our friends had his FAC and hunting license. By the time I was licensed up we could still buy all the now prohib stuff and we had out years of fun with no mag restrictions and all the stuff most folks under 40 didn't experience.
I guess as we slowly die the death of 1000 cuts that we were warned about in the early 90's..... I get frustrated when i see my fellow firearm's enthusiasts with thier heads down afraid the man is gonna swoop in and put them in jail.
I also get a little angry when LEO's handling firearms issues fail to uphold the law and rather act with thier emotional and personal feeling towards firearms and civillian firearm ownership. I have experienced such LEO's who say I can't do a thing that the law clearly says I can.
anyhow, to me, the bC regs are clear so if I was walking down a 1 lane wide trail with a non pal hunter carrying a firearm and we are walking side by side several feet apart with no obstructions between us as we walk and shoot bunnies or grouse..... to me that's perfectly reasonable and legal. Within clear eye sight, communication range ect.
So assuming the OP is gonna be hunting with another adult with a PAL , the answer to his question was a simple Yes. The law is clear and a CO or LEO's opinion of that is irrelevant unless they have some kind of proof or "reasonable grounds to believe" the hunters were not following the rules.
all it takes is for a guy to have a bad day, and all a CO has to do is issue a ticket, you have to show up and dispute it at court, i know of few people that are ready to drive 12-16hrs (or fly)to fight a ticket just to make a point
- Location
- Blaster land, Okanagan BC
Ditch the OPP downer and invite your friends that like to be outdoors, I’d rather have people like that along then someone that can’t forget about the job the whole time they’re in the woods with their friends hunting.
verminaard
CGN Regular
- Location
- SW Bantario
Depends on the WMU. Most of S.W. Ontario where there is a controlled shotgun/muzzle loader hunt, bows stop the day before the controlled hunt and start back up again the day after.
Sidearm Sambo
Regular
I have experienced CO's try to stick an imaginary infraction on you and then tell you to fight it court. I for one try to know what the legislation in my area is so i can follow the law. I have made my point quite clear with a CO that was planning to charge myself and 3 others during duck season. We did everything by the rules and did nothing illegal. I would not give him my shotgun as he wanted it. I continued to prove point after point when he kept at us until he finally either realized we were totally legal or he gave up due to my persistence! Not sure which. But we did not lose our firearms and did not need to attend court to get them back. I have a hard time backing down when i know im right or its bull$hit being pushed on us. This is why we need to push back the stinkin Lie-berals and not give in. More bull$hit being pushed on us
If the guns back at the camp are accessible to him then yes he does.
If there are guns back at the camp and they are not locked up of the camp cook has access to the keys then without a PAL they can be charged.
Please go back and look at the regulations.
There are hunts that are "Bow Only No Dogs" and there are general firearms seasons. In most WMUs in Ontario the general season as with the "Muzzleloader" season in December has bows included with the guns, in most. Controlled hunts are dependent on the zone, some allow bows and some do not but since it is a general gun season the use of hunter orange is required.
Hunted the "Muzzleloader" season the last 2 years with a crossbow due to the lack of a muzzleloader.
No, not if the person that is there does not have a PAL
Ar180shooter
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Ottawa, ON
Correct. No PAL means no access to firearms, full stop. 2 sets of charges could be laid in such a case, careless storage for the owner of the gun and unauthorized possession of a firearm for the non-licensed person at the camp.
Simple solution, have them trigger locked and store the ammo in your car trunk or remove the bolt and store it in your car trunk with the ammo. It's really not a huge inconvenience to do so...
Exactly, this is why my wife did not know where my gun cabinet keys were before she got her license, she could not have access at all, no charges for unsafe storage and no charges for access without a license for her.
