Readable authentic brass ID tag.

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I'm pretty new to collecting fire arms.
I'd like to find a Husqvarna 6.5 x 55 with a readable authentic brass ID tag on the stock.
Is this going to be like searching for a Holy Grail?
I've seen a few rifles now with no ID tag, some with a brass ID tag that just looks like a brass washer...
Did the Carl Gustafs rifles also have the sideways Crown stamped on them.
Need advice please.

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No Holy Grail. Just a lot of information about the rifle.

This is the Armourer's disk that tells the condition of the rifle. Torped is for the pointed bullet compensation information, Overslag is the compensation (1) or about 3.9 inches flatter trajectory when using later (m41) pointed ammunition rather than the older round nosed (M94) stuff. Str is a Swedish unit of measurement. The small "pie" triangle shows the bore condition - it has no punch mark so the bore is excellent - the numbers in it are for different bore conditions.

The larger part of the circle is barrel information. It starts out at 6.46 mm and goes to 6.50 mm. The outer circle starts at 6.51 mm in bore diameter and goes to 6.59 mm. Yours is 6.50 mm which is very good. Bear in mind that this information was when the rifle was last inspected, and may not be indicative of the condition today.

Unfortunately it is easy to change these disks using a screwdriver, and some unscrupulous people have done that so that a rifle seems to look better than it is and commands a higher price. Also new disks are available on E-Bay and other places.

The tilted crown is stamped on parts made by Husqvarna. Carl Gustafs crown stamps are level.

UPDATE

I have had a couple of PMs on the meaning of "Str". "Str" is an abbreviation for "Streck" a unit of measurement in Sweden. There are 6300 strecks in a 360 degree circle, and ONE streck is approximately 1/10 of a Meter at 100 Meters or about 3.9 inches. You might think of this as similar to the Mil-Dot system available today in scopes.

To give an example of this, if your enemy stuck his head up at 600 Meters and you were using the pointed M41 ammunition in your rifle, you would aim right on. If you were using the older, round nosed M94 ammunition you would have to compensate by aiming higher about 23.4 inches. If you aimed right on, your round would hit almost two feet low. (3.9 x 6 = 23.4)
 
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Thx Buffdog, Good info!!!
I only wish I had a Husky with that Armourer's disk! I'd be one very "Happy Camper"
But it was just a pic I pulled off the net to help explain what I was talking about.
The quest is on for me.
Our gun show isn't till the end of April here in Kamloops.
 
HuskyDude said:
Thx Buffdog, Good info!!!
I only wish I had a Husky with that Armourer's disk! I'd be one very "Happy Camper"
But it was just a pic I pulled off the net to help explain what I was talking about.
The quest is on for me.
Our gun show isn't till the end of April here in Kamloops.
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HuskyDude, there is a two day gun show coming up in Chilliwack Nov 18-19. You should be able to find what you're looking for there. Be prepared for sticker shock.

Excellent condition M38 Husqvarna rifles aren't rare at this point but they are not CHEAP. People have finally realized the quality of those lovely rifles and are now stepping up to pay for them.

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HuskyDude, there is a two day gun show coming up in Chilliwack Nov 18-19. You should be able to find what you're looking for there. Be prepared for sticker shock.

Excellent condition M38 Husqvarna rifles aren't rare at this point but they are not CHEAP. People have finally realized the quality of those lovely rifles and are now stepping up to pay for them.
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BEARHUNTER is quite right. At Ontario Gun Shows the m38 rifles are running into the $500-$600 range. Even saw one with a ground crest on it and the asking price was $500. A stock disk with a bore condition of 1 or even 2 is still a very good shooter though because the Swedes were conservative on their inspections and grading. The M96 rifles are running $400 - $600, and I had one on the table a couple of weeks ago for $350 -Grade 2 disk. It didn't last long.
 
I wonder if sending a note to TradeX might find what the OP is look'ning fur?

Edit to note: thanks buffdog for the enlightening info of what that medallion stands for.
 
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No Holy Grail. Just a lot of information about the rifle.

This is the Armourer's disk that tells the condition of the rifle. Torped is for the pointed bullet (M41) information, Overslag is the compensation (1) or about 3.9 inches flatter trajectory when using later pointed ammunition rather than the older round nosed (M94) stuff. Str is a Swedish unit of measurement. The small "pie" triangle shows the bore condition - it has no punch mark so the bore is excellent - the numbers in it are for different bore conditions.

The larger part of the circle is barrel information. It starts out at 6.46 mm and goes to 6.50 mm. The outer circle starts at 6.51 mm in bore diameter and goes to 6.59 mm. Yours is 6.50 mm which is very good. Bear in mind that this information was when the rifle was last inspected, and may not be indicative of the condition today.

Unfortunately it is easy to change these disks using a screwdriver, and some unscrupulous people have done that so that a rifle seems to look better than it is and commands a higher price. Also new disks are available on E-Bay and other places.

The tilted crown is stamped on parts made by Husqvarna. Carl Gustafs crown stamps are level.
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Thank you for such clear and useful information!
 
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I wonder if sending a note to TradeX might find what the OP is look'ning fur?
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Thx kamlooky, I've been on their web page and looked at ALL the Husky 6.5 they have to offer...
I'm sure I'll find one...it's just how much "Milk Money" I'm willing to put out...didn't think to send them a letter though.

(sign of the times)...just looked up "milk money" on urban dictionary...oh my...
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Guess one needs to be careful with old saying these days if you want to be politically corrected.
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I am looking for a M38 Husqvarna (in good shape) not just the Armourer's disk.
Well I didn't find a M38 Husky yet... but I did find a M96 in good shape!!!
From a retired gentlemen in Quebec that sells used rifle as a hobby.
It has a straight bolt, not a curved one and the Metallverken Vasteras Micrometer Rear Sight.
In 6.5x55
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As I was trained in the use of Artillery, I am well aware of the Mills System. Being interested in the Swedish Mausers for quite a long time, I am also aware of the "Streck" system of use for Artillery and Military use.

I find that "Wikepedia" is not one of my favorite references for reliable information. I always check more than one reference. Below is a quote from a more reliable source.


The true definition of a milliradian is based on a unit circle with a radius of one and an arc divided into 1000 mils per radian, hence 2000π or approximately 6283.185 milliradians in one turn, and rifle scope adjustments and reticles are calibrated to this definition. There are also other definitions used for land mapping and artillery which are rounded to more easily be divided into smaller parts for use with compasses. For instance there are artillery sights and compasses with 6400 NATO mils, 6000 Warsaw Pact mils or 6300 Swedish "streck" per turn instead of 360° or 2000π, achieving higher resolution than a 360° compass while also being easier to divide into parts than if true milliradians were used.
 
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The true definition of a milliradian is based on a unit circle with a radius of one and an arc divided into 1000 mils per radian, hence 2000π or approximately 6283.185 milliradians in one turn, and rifle scope adjustments and reticles are calibrated to this definition.[1] There are also other definitions used for land mapping and artillery which are rounded to more easily be divided into smaller parts for use with compasses. For instance there are artillery sights and compasses with 6400 NATO mils, 6000 Warsaw Pact mils or 6300 Swedish "streck" per turn instead of 360° or 2000π, achieving higher resolution than a 360° compass while also being easier to divide into parts than if true milliradians were used.

From; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milliradian

What was your source, things artillery interest me ?
 
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