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Partition fan boys don't shoot very far so that video is irrelevant. Awesome video though. I watch that show fairly often.
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Berger bullet failures?
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Partition fan boys don't shoot very far so that video is irrelevant. Awesome video though. I watch that show fairly often.
Yeah, my favorite episode of that show was when Chris Beck gut shot a bull elk, but he didn't go anywhere because the shot was from so far that he didn't know which way to run. She then shot the bull in the ass and her husband yells "right in the shoulder!". The bull walked a short way and laid down under a tree. Chris and Bob then snuck up to it and killed it from close range as the bull jumped up to run away. I wonder how much footage stays on the editing room floor.
This is epic too:
My rifle shoots just over 1/2 MOA at 500 with 175gr Partitions and my best friend shot a sub 1/2 MOA group at 540 last month with the same bullet (rifle built by CGN's very own Guntech). I shot my deer at 430 this year with a .270 and 150 Partitions. Double lung, bullet performed perfectly and exited. The majority of the shots in that video are well within Partitions' range.
Tremendous amount of $ spent on marketing these days.
I don’t dispute the partitions are good bullets. But to say they are perfect; that I’d disagree with. At extended ranges I can’t see them opening up very good. But I’ve never shot them so I can’t say. Maybe they would expand. But at over 700 yds I’ll stick with the 215 Berger. Use a bullet long enough there will be a failure, so many variables. Basically use what works for your style of hunting. For my comfort level I prefer shots no father than 5-600 yards. Closer will always be better. But practice pays off sometimes when longer shots are the only option.
Not arguing against Partitions either but your right about longer ranges....bullets like Partition will "pencil" in.
I agree most of those shows are not much better than info-mercials...but there is no doubting most of those guys can shoot.
I think Bergers have proven many many times over to work....but you must put the bullet in the right place....also a Partition in the guts or hind quarters wont work too well either??
I prefer tougher bullets on game. They just provide a better margin of error. For years I shot the Nosler BT and had a couple of incidents where I considered myself lucky to have gotten away with something. Even with good shot placement. I’ve shot primarily Barnes TSX/TTSX ballets for the last 15-20 years and several times I was glad I did. In the last few years I have mixed the Accubond into the equation and have had good results. In fact, two days ago I shot a big bodied Mule Deer in the shoulder with an Accubond. It pulverized the shoulder and then deflected down and hit the Brest bone completely tearing it apart. A lesser bullet would have struggled here. I’m convinced of that.
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The worst mess that I have seen was a cow moose that was shot with a Berger 168gr bullet out of a 7mm remmag. The first shot at 50 yards didn't stop the moose., so the shooter fired three more times as the moose ran off. The bullets that struck bone blew up without breaking the shoulder , and bullet the result was bullet fragments all over, and a lot of bloodshot eat. After cleaning that moose, I will never use a Berger bullet for big game hunting. I will stick with the TTSX which breaks bones, and damages far less meat.
Wow. Partitions do not "pencil" because the front half always expands; beeman's comments include the fact that he's never used them, yet you think his advice is good stuff? Bergers have a long history of failures. No bullet in the guts or hind quarters works well.
I've seldom seen a post so full of conjecture, misinformation, and "well, duh"..
I was referring to shooting a partition at extreme ranges that people shoot Berger's.
Out of same rifle with same velocity the Partition will shed velocity alot quicker than a Berger, Eld-X.
Using a 7mm 175 gr Partition @ 2900 fps vs. 7mm 175gr Eld-X...
The Partition is under 1800 fps at 650 yards.(IF you could even hit the target?)
The Eld-X maintains 1800 fps to 900 yards.
For Deer.....Put it through both front shoulders.....not much meat there anyways.....and stops em dead everytime.
Yeah. I always choose my hunting bullets based on 900 yard marketing numbers.
Hunting bullet decisions for me are not based on minor ballistic advantages, but on real life consequences when used on game. Like in real life. Key word being "real".
FYI, my 7mm RM with 175 Partitions does about .6 MOA for 3 shot groups at 500 and my best friend was shooting under 1/2 MOA at 540 yards with his Dennis Sorensen built 7mm RM and 175 Partitions. Granted, neither of us have shot game with it at 650, so I don’t know first hand how they would perform. BUT, those Partitions can be very accurate at extended ranges.
Nice shooting...what velocity are you getting with 7mm rem?
I'm at 290X fps with RL26 but the best accuracy is IMR7828 and about 2820 fps. My friend is just a hair under 2900fps with his most accurate load. Those are measure with an Oehler 35P. Interestingly my rifle opens up more than his at 500. At 100 my groups are a fair bit better than his.
At any rate, we shoot a fair bit and if we are being 100% honest with ourselves a 500 yard shot, in the field, on game, is a long shot. I know there are much better marksmen than me out there but I don't see myself shooting much further than that, and at those distances the Partition is still perfect (for me). At my velocity and altitude I am good to go out to 600. A while back I did some number crunching and it turns out my average shot on game was something around 150 yards.
