Hunting without PAL

[Butcherbill]

So if it's 1 gun per hunter/pal does that mean as a licensed pal holder I can't have a 22 on my pack while hunting with my bigger gun?
Or a bear defence shotgun with me while I'm deer hunting with a 308?

There is nothing in the BC hunting synopsis that states you have to have 1 gun per pal or hunting license, if you have a pal as well as your hunting license carry as many guns as you want. The only sections that mention what type of guns you can use are on pg.16-17 under Legal hunting methods and provincial bag limits. There’s a chart listing big game, small game and migratory birds and what firearms are legal to use to hunt them with, archery as well. Then they list barrel lengths and shell capacity for shot or slugs in shotguns. Nothing about carrying more than one gun, fill your boots.

 

[RidgeHunter]

Sorry I should have made the sarcasm a bit more clear.
This whole one gun per hunter is BS and I’m surprised people are saying that.

 

[Wendell]

If you are within arms reach ( supervision) of a guy with a PAL , then you can have a gun. Does not matter if the supervising guy has a gun or not. Remember ,,,, the supervision must be @ ALL TIMES that you have the gun. This is Federal Law ,,,,,,,,,, so all provinces .

Subject to any additional restrictions...whether federal, provincial, or municipal...

This is from the Storage, Display, Transportation and Handling of Firearms by Individuals Regulations made pursuant to Firearms Act, so all provinces....

Handling of Firearms

15 An individual may load a firearm or handle a loaded firearm only in a place where the firearm may be discharged in accordance with all applicable Acts of Parliament and of the legislature of a province, regulations made under such Acts, and municipal by-laws.

<https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-209/page-3.html#h-13>

And this is from Nova Scotia, from the Firearm and Bow Regulations made under the Wildlife Act:

Quantities of firearms/bows

10 No person while hunting wildlife shall possess more than one weapon unless the additional weapon is either unloaded and disassembled so that it is not readily operable, or is unloaded and encased.


<https://novascotia.ca/just/regulations/regs/wifire.htm>

 

[Gatehouse]

One gun per PAL?



So Dad can't take his no PAL teenage son and daughter out hunting unless he only has one gun. Get real. Maybe some provinces outlaw this but it's not a federal law.

 

[Dukester]

One gun per PAL?



So Dad can't take his no PAL teenage son and daughter out hunting unless he only has one gun. Get real. Maybe some provinces outlaw this but it's not a federal law.

Until there is a direct and immediate supervision situation. And yes federal.

 

[Gatehouse]

Until there is a direct and immediate supervision situation. And yes federal.

A Dad can legally (federally) take his kids out hunting all with their own guns and go creep around in the bush together, sit in a blind together, or drive around in the truck together or spot and stalk together or whatever. 3 people, 3 guns, 1 PAL, all legal. (Federally)

 

[Dukester]

Until immediate supervision becomes an issue, go for it.

 

[riversrest]

a dad can legally (federally) take his kids out hunting all with their own guns and go creep around in the bush together, sit in a blind together, or drive around in the truck together or spot and stalk together or whatever. 3 people, 3 guns, 1 pal, all legal. (federally)

^^this !!!^^^

 

[memaquay]

I would like to be in full agreement with everyone using the federal statement. However, in Ontario, MNR has told me that when hunting with two people with hunting licences, but only one guy with a PAL, then only one gun is to be used.

Again, if someone could provide me with some case history of this actually going to court in Ontario, I would be very interested. At this point, it is merely speculation as to what a CO would do in this situation in Ontario if he asked to see both PALs.

As I have said previously, my buddy is waiting now four months for his PAL, he has all of his hunting licences and moose season is over in a month.

 

[track]

Hi, looking to go out deer hunting this year with my father, do i need to have a pal or is his good enough as long as we are in close proximity?
I reapplied for my PAL/last one expired recently, so doubt i will have it back in time.

Keep life simple and wait until you receive your PAL. In the meantime, accompany your father by being together, be an extra pair of eyes, push bush, gut, skin and carry out the animal. In other words, go through all the motions sans rifle.

 

[Papaclaude]

A Dad can legally (federally) take his kids out hunting all with their own guns and go creep around in the bush together, sit in a blind together, or drive around in the truck together or spot and stalk together or whatever. 3 people, 3 guns, 1 PAL, all legal. (Federally)

If you have more than 1 shotgun, it has to be disassembled, or encased. That's Federal, AFAIK. I didn't find it in the actual regs (too lazy) but here is the FAQ from Environment Canada:

I like to hunt ducks with a .12 gauge shotgun and geese with a .10 gauge shotgun. Is it okay to have both shotguns in a hunting blind while hunting ducks and geese?
Answer: Yes. However, you can only hunt with one shotgun at a time; the extra shotgun you have with you must be unloaded and disassembled or unloaded and in a case.

From time to time, I have taken 2 shotguns when deer hunting (I hunt a shotgun only area) - a Savage 220 bolt "rifle" and a 14 in. Adler lever gun. The lever gun is in a scabbard with a lock until I go walking around. As far as more than 1 rifle, I've done it many times, but before 1998. Pretty sure that legally, you would be OK, except where the province bans it, but can you afford to go make your point in court? That's pretty much been the guiding point for me. I'd rather be wrong and in the clear than right with huge lawyer bills.

 

[Runningfool]

I would like to be in full agreement with everyone using the federal statement. However, in Ontario, MNR has told me that when hunting with two people with hunting licences, but only one guy with a PAL, then only one gun is to be used.

Again, if someone could provide me with some case history of this actually going to court in Ontario, I would be very interested. At this point, it is merely speculation as to what a CO would do in this situation in Ontario if he asked to see both PALs.

As I have said previously, my buddy is waiting now four months for his PAL, he has all of his hunting licences and moose season is over in a month.

I don’t have any case law to quote but I may be able to shed a bit of light on your situation.

Provincially in Ontario we have 4 classes of hunting licenses (H1, H2 and the apprentice equivalents A1, A2). In order to hunt with a gun in Ontario, regardless of age, you need an H1 or A1 licence and to get an H1 or A1 licence you need to have passed the cfsc. Notice that the requirement is not that you hold a PAL, it is that you have proof of passing the cfsc. I discovered this when my 12 year old daughter was getting into hunting - apparently plenty of people pass their cfsc in order to get their H1 licence but never bother to get their pal which seems strange to me but I guess some people only ever hunt with another person.

So your buddy can get his H1 without his PAL which means he can legally hunt with a gun. However, he must also be in compliance with the federal firearms laws and that is where the supervision thing comes in. So if a CO stops you guys and you are together and each holding guns he will check both of your licenses/outdoors cards and as long as they are both H1 cards you are good to go and perfectly legal. Hope this helps.

 

[Gatehouse]

If you have more than 1 shotgun, it has to be disassembled, or encased. That's Federal, AFAIK. I didn't find it in the actual regs (too lazy) but here is the FAQ from Environment Canada:

I like to hunt ducks with a .12 gauge shotgun and geese with a .10 gauge shotgun. Is it okay to have both shotguns in a hunting blind while hunting ducks and geese?
Answer: Yes. However, you can only hunt with one shotgun at a time; the extra shotgun you have with you must be unloaded and disassembled or unloaded and in a case.

From time to time, I have taken 2 shotguns when deer hunting (I hunt a shotgun only area) - a Savage 220 bolt "rifle" and a 14 in. Adler lever gun. The lever gun is in a scabbard with a lock until I go walking around. As far as more than 1 rifle, I've done it many times, but before 1998. Pretty sure that legally, you would be OK, except where the province bans it, but can you afford to go make your point in court? That's pretty much been the guiding point for me. I'd rather be wrong and in the clear than right with huge lawyer bills.

1 PAL, 3 hunters in a blind, 3 shotguns. All legal (federally)

 

[Papaclaude]

1 PAL, 3 hunters in a blind, 3 shotguns. All legal (federally)

If you say so.

 

[KodiakHntr]

The issue is the law says direct and immediate, not just immediate. You cant cherry pick a single word and then decide what the law is.

Shawn

Fine. I think a lot of guys are getting hung up on the interpretation of "direct and immediate supervision", such as yourself. I myself take that to mean I can say forcefully "DON'T DO THAT" and have the individual realize that perhaps they shouldn't do that. You seem to think that it has to mean that you are going to yank a loaded, ready to fire, firearm out of someones hands. I myself have to strong a sense of self preservation to do that. If the person that you have handed a firearm can't be trusted to listen to your words, then perhaps you shouldn't have handed them a firearm in the first place.


Lotta guys WAY overthinking this.....

 

[shawn]

Fine. I think a lot of guys are getting hung up on the interpretation of "direct and immediate supervision", such as yourself. I myself take that to mean I can say forcefully "DON'T DO THAT" and have the individual realize that perhaps they shouldn't do that. You seem to think that it has to mean that you are going to yank a loaded, ready to fire, firearm out of someones hands. I myself have to strong a sense of self preservation to do that. If the person that you have handed a firearm can't be trusted to listen to your words, then perhaps you shouldn't have handed them a firearm in the first place.


Lotta guys WAY overthinking this.....

Lotta guys trying to bend the law to justify what they like to do.

Sorry but someone hearing you is not direct and immediate supervision no matter how much you want it to be and the law wont think so either. If you can not intervene you are not in direct and immediate supervision.

So under your "logic" if both guys have radios and can still see each other but are 500m apart that is direct and immediate supervision. Now you are 500m apart and CO comes cross buddy without a PAL how to do you think that is going to go?

LOL

But but that guy 500m over there is directly and immediately supervising me!

Shawn

 

[KodiakHntr]

Lotta guys trying to bend the law to justify what they like to do.

Sorry but someone hearing you is not direct and immediate supervision no matter how much you want it to be and the law wont think so either. If you can not intervene you are not in direct and immediate supervision.

So under your "logic" if both guys have radios and can still see each other but are 500m apart that is direct and immediate supervision. Now you are 500m apart and CO comes cross buddy without a PAL how to do you think that is going to go?

LOL

But but that guy 500m over there is directly and immediately supervising me!

Shawn

HAHAHAHAHAHA Talk about trying to bend things. Even you have to admit that is a FAR stretch from what I just said. If you can show me case law that says direct and immediate supervision has to be the ability to physically intervene without having anything impede that ability I will concede the point. However, you won't be able to, period.

I do recall reading a while ago a reference to a similar scenario where hunters had to be able to "communicate by natural voice without amplification or radio".

If your interpretation was correct then any parent who was trying to teach a teenager to drive (a MUCH higher risk of injury activity) would be required to rent a vehicle with a second steering wheel and pedals. That is not the case though, as you can teach a new driver how to drive simply by using your voice...........................

 

[3macs1]

I would like to be in full agreement with everyone using the federal statement. However, in Ontario, MNR has told me that when hunting with two people with hunting licences, but only one guy with a PAL, then only one gun is to be used.

Again, if someone could provide me with some case history of this actually going to court in Ontario, I would be very interested. At this point, it is merely speculation as to what a CO would do in this situation in Ontario if he asked to see both PALs.

As I have said previously, my buddy is waiting now four months for his PAL, he has all of his hunting licences and moose season is over in a month.

Here you cannot even buy a licence with out a wildlife resources card which you cannot get without a hunters safety and a pal course

When applying for your Wildlife Resources Card to the NS Department of Natural Resources, you will need to prove successful completion of the Hunter Education Course, as well as the Canadian Non-Restricted Firearms Course.

 

[shawn]

HAHAHAHAHAHA Talk about trying to bend things. Even you have to admit that is a FAR stretch from what I just said. If you can show me case law that says direct and immediate supervision has to be the ability to physically intervene without having anything impede that ability I will concede the point. However, you won't be able to, period.

I do recall reading a while ago a reference to a similar scenario where hunters had to be able to "communicate by natural voice without amplification or radio".

If your interpretation was correct then any parent who was trying to teach a teenager to drive (a MUCH higher risk of injury activity) would be required to rent a vehicle with a second steering wheel and pedals. That is not the case though, as you can teach a new driver how to drive simply by using your voice...........................

LOL

Post up the law that says direct and immediate when driver training. You making up BS and claiming its law and supports your original BS is hilarious.

Go ahead and post up the case law that says direct and immediate mean as long as the person can hear you. You wont be able to as it does not exist.

Shawn

 

[Trimmer 905]

i’ve checked and checked again, wmu 46 ( where i do list hunting) archery is closed for two weeks of gun season

Read it again. You're confusing the two separate lists---the one listing "shotguns,bows,muzzle...." If you look at the larger list above that for WMU 46 open gun seasons,you'll see beside it that the condition portion is blank,therefore,you can use what you like.