Tenifer, Glock, and “Toughness” - One season’s guiding & bushpiloting on a G40
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I'm curious about this as well. After shooting a lot of steel challenge the past couple of years, I would know how difficult it is to get 6 hits in 5 seconds at 25 yards, especially with a big bore gun. That actually seems a little ridiculous for a qualification shoot. I must not be understanding something correctly...
I have a 460 Rowland built on a steel 1911. Very powerful (more than a 10mm) but heavy.
I notice that Clark also offers the 460 conversion kit for the Glock (45ACP to 460 Rowland)
At over 900 ft-pounds, this is a serious load.
I notice that Clark also offers the 460 conversion kit for the Glock (45ACP to 460 Rowland)
At over 900 ft-pounds, this is a serious load.
Ardent
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6” circle is what I was given, it’s actually a pretty challenging shoot with powerful handguns. Genuinely hard with a heavy double action .44 Mag, it sounds easier than it is to draw and fire 6 rounds on target in 5 seconds with something that barks. Never tried the qualification with a .44 Mag but have done the same shoot on my own time, I wouldn’t be confident with it. You’re allowed a certain percentage of misses and I do not know the actual number, you cannot go over the time limit however.
They want a high level of competency, the argument as it was explained to me is if you can’t draw and hit the targets fast repeatedly the handgun isn’t going to be a benefit to you. On Grizzlies I agree as wounding one can be worse than riding out the mauling. It’s also a reason to deny ATCs as they don’t want them issued casually, basically you have to be well practiced, trained, and have passed qualificaiton and I believe that’s fair. There are a lot of hoops to an ATC today, including a business licence, approved training, written interview then usually a phone call after, etc.
Ardent
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It’s harder than it sounds, and it isn’t easy with guns shooting the approved chamberings. .44 Mag is beyond my present abilities, I just might get through the shoot and pass, but I’d have nerves about it where as with 200gr 10mm I feel confident though I still very much have to focus. From the guiding and outfitting side of life I’ve learned accurate shot placement is by far the most useful tool in your bag, trumping chambering / power utterly completely, so 10mm is the correct choice for my personal limitations and circumstances.
6 hits in 5 seconds, on a 6" plate at 25m... I'd be willing to bet that only few guys here could actually accomplish that. I'm in the top few in my club at steel challenge, and I doubt I'd be able to. Granted we have to transition to 5 different plates, but still. I would think that getting a big bore handgun back on target would equate to about the same time as me transitioning from one target to the next with a heavy 9mm semi or marshmallow .38 revolver loads. ...You must be some fantastic shooters to pass this qualification test...
Just Glock fanboy ready to defend the parapets against all the underworld who would dare cast aspirations on the alter of Glock. Suggesting a Glock might rust under the worst weather conditions imaginable qualifies as an aspiration. To suggest the gun might not be serviceable after one year is close, bit not quite, heresy. Angus may yet burn on the cross.
Comrade Angus let the unwashed sit on his pike for a bit longer. I am still talking to you and I have a Mossberg 500 stainless. It has served me well these past 12 years. It has done yeoman service resting in my safe having spent but only a few summers on the banks of the Skeena. Well a couple of days a year five years ago. Funny how where and how frequent you use your guns has some effect on how long they last. I use Win PDX1 Defender 1oz Rifled Slug with 3 00 Buck pellets @1150 fps. Good for most social exchanges. At 25 yards I get a hole surrounded by a six in, group shaped like a triangle.
I would get hold of Glock, show them the pictures and I would bet they might consider replacing your gun annually just for the publicity or the ability to monitor . Cheaper than dropping the gun from helicopters.
Take Care
Bob
Meh I wouldn’t feel comfortable below 10mm honestly anyhow even if it was permitted, big difference between it and .40. Yea principal concern is Grizzlies, I carry 200grs at 1300fps range generally, 700ft-lbs is considered the de facto minimum if you look at approved chamberings. Concern is penetration you want many feet worth on soft tissue due to the size.
I don't know Ardent, looks pretty friendly to me!!
Just misunderstood!! Yes, that would rip you a new one if pissed off. Looks like the Glock it is... You just need to upgrade the WD40.
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ive never spent time in your conditions but if that corrosion happened to one of my guns id go nuts. I have no problem with wear but corrosion drives me nuts.
years ago I spent time with one my stainless guns moose hunting and it was foggy one of the days. I was using a certain gun oil and wiped down the gun and bolt before going out. end of the day the polished bolt had black spots on it. the rest of the rifle was fine. I set out to find a better gun oil.
I read a lot of tests and settled on hornady one shot hd extreme. someone mentioned it earlier in this thread. it not only is one of the best protectants but also one of the best lubes. light and thin. never a problem since.
hard to find in Canada and when you find it they want ways to much for it. I buy it out of the states. if you can get your hands on a few cans you ought to try it. be careful when buying as hornady has other products in the one shot line. hd extreme is what you want.
on a side note I bought a rem 700 xcr2 for hunting wet weather. ever see one of those in your line of work? how does that finish hold up?
years ago I spent time with one my stainless guns moose hunting and it was foggy one of the days. I was using a certain gun oil and wiped down the gun and bolt before going out. end of the day the polished bolt had black spots on it. the rest of the rifle was fine. I set out to find a better gun oil.
I read a lot of tests and settled on hornady one shot hd extreme. someone mentioned it earlier in this thread. it not only is one of the best protectants but also one of the best lubes. light and thin. never a problem since.
hard to find in Canada and when you find it they want ways to much for it. I buy it out of the states. if you can get your hands on a few cans you ought to try it. be careful when buying as hornady has other products in the one shot line. hd extreme is what you want.
on a side note I bought a rem 700 xcr2 for hunting wet weather. ever see one of those in your line of work? how does that finish hold up?
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I don't know Ardent, looks pretty friendly to me!!
Yes, that would rip you a new one if pissed off. Looks like the Glock it is... You just need to upgrade the WD40.
I have no doubt the hazards in your line of work are just misunderstood individuals too!
Haven’t run into one yet, understand it’s a tough rifle. Mostly Winchesters / Rugers / Kimbers / Sakos, some Blasers and new Mauser M03s etc, and customs in stainless make the trip up, no reason an XCR2 wouldn’t fit right in.
Ardent
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Very cool, but not approved as it isn’t a factory offering (maybe you could make the argument not sure if Buffalo Bore etc make .460 Rowland), but you have to use factory ammunition at the qualification shoot.
Where do you do your qualifications? I was testing/approving a couple for awhile but have not for a couple of years now. I should get hold of the CFO tomorrow and see if things have changed much.
Take Care
Bob
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
The BC CFO sends you a package with the qualification shoot forms and you get ahold of one of the examiners, they fill out your form post shoot and sign it, then you submit it with your application package to the CFO. That part is the same as ever but the forms / shoot have changed and it’s annually. I think a list of examiners comes with the application package, I’ve done my shoots in the Vancouver area.
6 shots on a 6” target@25M in 5 seconds, from the holster,eh? With a factory cartridge at 700 ft pounds or better. Wow, I guess that’s one way to keep approval #’s down. I wonder what overall hit % is required? I’m sure most people are better served by a 3 1/2’ bolt action rifle when their hands are full of “work” stuff, right? (That’s sarcasm, for the unaware.).
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I shot PMC for the shoot, which is 550ft-lbs from the G40. I carry stiffer loads in the field, there seems a reasonable understanding. I hear rumours guys have ATCs for .500s and wonder how, due to the 6 round per target test, and the recoil in a timed shoot. Could be there’s an understanding there too.
Thanks for answering that question.... I was wondering about the PMC and if that was your grizzly load....
Seems strange to have such demanding time and target constraints and then allow people to certify with a load they won't be using?
Nothing makes much sense though once the government get's involved with firearms.
