Tenifer, Glock, and “Toughness” - One season’s guiding & bushpiloting on a G40

I'm late to this thread very informative even with the spewers.

I'm down to just two 10mm handguns now my Colt Delta Elite and G29 sold my Gen 3 G20 and Kimber stainless target 11 I've been looking at the G40 so was interested in this thread.

One of my several carry handguns was a 5" supported chamber BarSto barreled G20 10mm I used it extensively for several years on my ATC had no issues with it ever but it was never exposed to salt water.

During the time I was carrying I met a fellow ATC permit holder in northern BC he ran a 1911 10mm handgun (I don't remember his loads) he had to shoot a grizzly with it the bear ran off never to be seen again he reported the shoot to the CO's they couldn't find it either.

Ardent I'm curious as to what loads you are packing in your G40 when I was in grizzly country I ended up loading individually weighed IMR 800X with 200gr WFNGC's 1200fps - 1300fps can't remember the exact velocities will have to look it up.

I started doing some rethinking of handgun/cartridge choices after hearing about the grizzly shoot experience it was around this time I got my hands onto a my first stainless 7.5" barreled Ruger Super Redhawk in 454 Casull I then bought a second identical SRH for backup had the first one's barrel shortened to 4.25" and their front sight system installed by Gunner @ Armco in PG also installed a Crimson Trace laser grip and .330" green fiber optic front sight loaded 240gr & 300gr XTP-Mags, 360gr WFNGC's and my all time favorite load for grizzly country were my 405gr WLNGC's @ 1330fps from this 4.25" barrel.

Only time I packed my G20 or Colt Delta Elite after getting the SRH's was if I was jumping in and out of my truck or on/off the quad I liked the fast load/unloading over a revolver.

One revolver I will never pack for defense in the bush again is a 44 mag S&W's I carried one for a while it could not stand up to the top loads I was pushing thru it = I just didn't trust it.

If I ever get my ATC again I'm packing my 4.25" SRH if I'm in black bear/cougar country I'll load it with my top 45 Colt loads but when I step out into grizzly country my 4.25" barreled SRH will be in my holster loaded with my 405gr WLNGC's.

Sorry for the ramble this thread has brought back great memories for me...
 
Camp Cook said:
I'm late to this thread very informative even with the spewers.

I'm down to just two 10mm handguns now my Colt Delta Elite and G29 sold my Gen 3 G20 and Kimber stainless target 11 I've been looking at the G40 so was interested in this thread.

One of my several carry handguns was a 5" supported chamber BarSto barreled G20 10mm I used it extensively for several years on my ATC had no issues with it ever but it was never exposed to salt water.

During the time I was carrying I met a fellow ATC permit holder in northern BC he ran a 1911 10mm handgun (I don't remember his loads) he had to shoot a grizzly with it the bear ran off never to be seen again he reported the shoot to the CO's they couldn't find it either.

Ardent I'm curious as to what loads you are packing in your G40 when I was in grizzly country I ended up loading individually weighed IMR 800X with 200gr WFNGC's 1200fps - 1300fps can't remember the exact velocities will have to look it up.

I started doing some rethinking of handgun/cartridge choices after hearing about the grizzly shoot experience it was around this time I got my hands onto a my first stainless 7.5" barreled Ruger Super Redhawk in 454 Casull I then bought a second identical SRH for backup had the first one's barrel shortened to 4.25" and their front sight system installed by Gunner @ Armco in PG also installed a Crimson Trace laser grip and .330" green fiber optic front sight loaded 240gr & 300gr XTP-Mags, 360gr WFNGC's and my all time favorite load for grizzly country were my 405gr WLNGC's @ 1330fps from this 4.25" barrel.

Only time I packed my G20 or Colt Delta Elite after getting the SRH's was if I was jumping in and out of my truck or on/off the quad I liked the fast load/unloading over a revolver.

One revolver I will never pack for defense in the bush again is a 44 mag S&W's I carried one for a while it could not stand up to the top loads I was pushing thru it = I just didn't trust it.

If I ever get my ATC again I'm packing my 4.25" SRH if I'm in black bear/cougar country I'll load it with my top 45 Colt loads but when I step out into grizzly country my 4.25" barreled SRH will be in my holster loaded with my 405gr WLNGC's.

Sorry for the ramble this thread has brought back great memories for me...
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Interesting. I was under impression one had to use factory rolled ammo for Atc. Is that just to qualify?

Also is the smith 44 really that substandard other than for the nuclear eg BuffaloBores? No doubt the Ruger is stronger but member Dirty Barry has put his 629 through the ringer wrt high volume of full power loads. I would think the Smith could hold up just fine to a steady diet of loads a fair amount hotter than heavy 10mms.
 
gdawg said:
Interesting. I was under impression one had to use factory rolled ammo for Atc. Is that just to qualify?

Also is the smith 44 really that substandard other than for the nuclear eg BuffaloBores? No doubt the Ruger is stronger but member Dirty Barry has put his 629 through the ringer wrt high volume of full power loads. I would think the Smith could hold up just fine to a steady diet of loads a fair amount hotter than heavy 10mms.
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I’m curious too. I’ve heard that it is more painful to shoot heavy 44 loads through a 629 than other revolvers. Maybe that’s part of the cult of “weaker gun”. I can’t say because I have a Blackhawk.
 
emerson said:
I’m curious too. I’ve heard that it is more painful to shoot heavy 44 loads through a 629 than other revolvers. Maybe that’s part of the cult of “weaker gun”. I can’t say because I have a Blackhawk.
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That was my experience. I had a 4.2" 629 and a 4 5/8" Super Blackhawk. The SBH was way more comfortable, though i could not shoot it as well.
 
I've no idea what the ammo or qualifying requirements are now.

I haven't had my ATC for 9 years now back then there was no specific qualifying course or factory ammo requirement.
 
prairie lover said:
Ever notice that some companys fans have a certain segment of worshipers that do that? Glock, ford, john deere.......
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Exactly.

Angus you are lucky our friend from Calgary finally got banned. This thread would be close to a thousand posts by now. If Glock can drop their pistol from a helicopter, freeze it in ice and leave it in the bottom of the ocean for six months and it will still fire than YOUR gun, well let's get it out there.....your picture is just photo shopped. Your light strike never happened and Donald Trump always tells the truth.

Take Care

Bob
 
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Well after some Glock talk lurking and reading, Glock’s claims it was tougher than stainless appears not to hold salt water, I’ve run a stainless gun beside this and seen another in a coworker’s gear kit, no marks on them. I do not think this means Glocks are junk, just that they have to be treated in a salt environment like a blued gun. It appears to hold up in regular moisture, until salt arrives.

Glocks can, will, and do rust- Tenifer or whatever they’re using now. After a good deal of reading I’d wager Tenifer is no better than its sister process, nitriding, which is decent corrosion wise and excellent mechanically but not stainless. Overall excellent guns just not indestructable as advertised.

I should try and Glock coke soak trick...


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Ardent, I'm late to the party and didn't see an explanation in the thread so far (I may have missed it) .. do you carry the G27 as well? If so, were you allowed to purchase one once your ATC was approved? Or is it a photo from another case (in the US or something)?
 
Ardent said:
Well after some Glock talk lurking and reading, Glock’s claims it was tougher than stainless appears not to hold salt water, I’ve run a stainless gun beside this and seen another in a coworker’s gear kit, no marks on them. I do not think this means Glocks are junk, just that they have to be treated in a salt environment like a blued gun. It appears to hold up in regular moisture, until salt arrives.

Glocks can, will, and do rust- Tenifer or whatever they’re using now. After a good deal of reading I’d wager Tenifer is no better than its sister process, nitriding, which is decent corrosion wise and excellent mechanically but not stainless. Overall excellent guns just not indestructable as advertised.

I should try and Glock coke soak trick...
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So by "tougher" maybe they mean more durable? I.e. maybe more resistant to scratches, etc? To claim that a coated alloy steel is going to be more rust resistant than a material that simply won't rust by its nature is... Ridiculous?
 
I agree but somebody will jump in with the internet adage “stainless still rusts!” Problem is I haven’t seen it, and in the worst I can offer stainless steel. There are many grades of stainless and you can’t talk about it with sweeping statements, 300 series forks and spoons can survive a lifetime of hot and moist dishwasher cycles without a mark, as does the kitchen sink. The good stuff physically cannot rust as it instantly forms a chromium oxide layer an unlimited amount of times that outcompetes the other oxide, rust, which requires time to form. The usual gun stainless is 416, which at 12-14% chromium is VERY stainless, stainless steels start at 10.5%. Sako and a couple others are using a stainless closer to or below the chromium cutoff for stainless, I suspect as higher chromium content can bring brittleness in extreme cold, and Finland / Sako’s home gets cold. That’s the only stainless rifle I’ve seen a mark on, and it’s nothing like this.
 
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