Target or sporter?

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I’m just waiting for my PAL to come in and trying to decide on my first rifle. Having trouble deciding between a target barrel or sporter. From what I understand, target will be less tolerant of different types of ammunition due to the tighter bore. My expectation is for 90% target range shooting and 10% plinking and hunting vermin in the field.

Currently I’m looking at a Ruger 10/22, but have an open mind. As I said, I’m having a hard time deciding on what my first .22LR will be… Budget is $1k give or take.

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If I was just starting, and targets were my goal, a good bolt and scope would be my choice. You will get lots of makes and models here. I am happy with my CZ, older Rem 541s, Brno’s and a couple Mossbergs. There have been some good older Anschutz single shot 54s in EE for under a grand. I have a 10/22 but it cost more than your limit and has a tight chamber. Most factory heaven barrels other than competition guns, will chamber most 22 ammo.
 
I agree with a-j with the caveat that you might want to get an auto-feed if you plan to do lots of plinking. Marlin 60 or 795 are very accurate in a low-priced range ($200), and you could still get a bolt if you desire more accuracy. I hear Ruger has v-good target rimfires. Together would keep you under the $1k and give more versatility. I have a Savage 64 which is pretty good, but the magazine feed lips wear out so I can't honestly recommend them. I spend time 'fiddling' them that many would not bother with.
 
If I was just starting, and targets were my goal, a good bolt and scope would be my choice. You will get lots of makes and models here. I am happy with my CZ, older Rem 541s, Brno’s and a couple Mossbergs. There have been some good older Anschutz single shot 54s in EE for under a grand. I have a 10/22 but it cost more than your limit and has a tight chamber. Most factory heaven barrels other than competition guns, will chamber most 22 ammo.
I agree a good target gun would be my first choice
 
From what I understand, target will be less tolerant of different types of ammunition due to the tighter bore.
I have a 10/22 target, and a 10/22 takedown. Both can take any ammo except the CCI Stinger, this is because it has a longer casing. Other normal length ammo will work.

I like the semi-auto for being quicker to shoot for the times I am just screwing around, am I leaving some accuracy behind vs a bolt gun, that is for the shooter to decide, the .5"@50yards post in here has some semi's on the list, so it isn't impossible.

Good chance that my next .22lr will be a CZ or the new Tikka T1x by the spring. See if there is a difference between the guns, or if I am just a poor shot.
 
If your budget is a grand, buy something nicer than a 10/22. Buy a CZ and a nice scope and spend the rest on ammo. You’ll get more out of a bolt gun and a lot of ammo and range time, shoot lots.
 
Everyone needs two rimfire rifles, one bolt and one semi auto. My suggestion would be to start with a nice bolt action rifle and then get yourself a semi auto.
 
A lot of great advice. My advice? Buy what you WANT to shoot, and get good with it.

Typically a better rifle will get you better groups... to a point. To improve from there will require better ammunition (ditch the bulk loose rounds in a box schtick)

Rimfire accuracy was once described to me thusly:

As a BEGINNER: 80% Shooter/15% Rifle/5% ammunition

As an INTERMEDIATE: 40% Shooter/35% Rifle/25% ammunition.

As an Expert 20% shooter/ 40%rifle/40% ammunition.

As your skills increase, the burden of excellence in making target groups become more reliant on your gear and your ammunition budget.



One word of caution. If you get bitten by the rimfire bug... be prepared, your rimfire values can outstrip your centerfire rifles and pistols by a good margin. I know this pain all too well.
 
Everyone needs two rimfire rifles, one bolt and one semi auto. My suggestion would be to start with a nice bolt action rifle and then get yourself a semi auto.

This ^

Also look for deals in the used market before jumping into new. I have purchased over 90% of my collection used over the years with a lot of patience.


One word of caution. If you get bitten by the rimfire bug... be prepared, your rimfire values can outstrip your centerfire rifles and pistols by a good margin. I know this pain all too well.

And isn't that the truth. I won't even begin to tell you about my rimfire collection in both rifles and handguns.......:eek:
 
There are always some target quality rifles on the EE even in Semi auto.
I would start with a bolt rifle.
After saying I would never have a Ruger 10/22 there are now two in my locker . . . a rifle and a carbine.
After selling two CZ452's to finance a Remington 40XB I now have two CZ455's a Varmint and an American. Both capable of under an inch at 100 yards after pillar bedding and reshaping the firing pins.
Keep checking the EE, talk with the sellers, don't rush . . . Xmas is coming . . . some need money now and others when the bills arrive!
 
Yeah I would stay away from the Ruger 10/22. Either buy a entirely different rifle or get a Dlask/Kidd 10/22.

The target model is slightly more accurate than the sporter. Both of them are horrible. The target model isn’t worth the weight difference. Ruger 10/22 aren’t accurate enough for target practice regardless of skill level.
 
I’m just waiting for my PAL to come in and trying to decide on my first rifle. Having trouble deciding between a target barrel or sporter. From what I understand, target will be less tolerant of different types of ammunition due to the tighter bore. My expectation is for 90% target range shooting and 10% plinking and hunting vermin in the field.

That's not quite right. European brands of rifles tend to have tighter bores than their North American made counterparts, with CZ's being among the tightest. Whether the outer profile is a straight heavy barrel or sleek sporter, the internal bore of a CZ is the same, and that is tight. That said, these tight bore barrels can shoot any ammo that will chamber (With the exception of certain sub-sonic, low-power specialty rounds). What you may have heard probably refers to having a tight chamber. A rifle like an Anschütz has a match chamber where the bullet gets engraved into the rifling when you close the bolt, and this is considered a good thing for accuracy. However, if you try to load a CCI stinger into this chamber, the longer case of this round will get jammed into the rifling, and it could even possibly push the bullet down into the casing plus crimp it as it jams into the rifling. Not good things, so avoid using stingers in a match chamber. CCI SV ammo also has a noticeably longer driving band on the bullet compared to brands like SK, Lapua, Eley, RWS, etc... and can be more difficult to chamber and extract a live round in a match chamber, but shouldn't cause any real issues. CZ has a sort of hybrid chamber I would liken to a Bentz chamber that is often used on semi-auto target rifles. It doesn't engrave the bullet into the rifling like a true match chamber, but it is close. Stingers might be iffy, but depending on who you talk to, some run them just fine in their CZ's while others wont touch them.

With your budget I'd seriously look at a used Anschütz bolt action rifle, you can always upgrade your scope later when your budget is restored, but this will be a rifle that will keep you happy for a good long time. You'll probably find yourself wanting to upgrade from a Savage rifle in a couple years, I know I did. Accurate rifle, but cheap feel/build, didn't satisfy me. The smoothness of the bolt and high quality out-of-the-box triggers of an Anschütz are just a pleasure to operate. CZ's can also be tweaked up fairly well. When you feel like plinking, a CZ can handle Thunderbolts and Golden Bullets no problem, so there's your cheap ammo for your plinkin' fix. When you want to punch tiny holes in paper, load it up with some nice ammo like Lapua and it should shoot very well too. For ease of shooting off a bench, a "Varmint" style stock is better than a sporter style, and shouldn't be too bad to carry around for the odd hunting trip.
 
Simple to me, I have a custom 10/22 (Semi auto) for most plinking and hunting use, and one CZ 455 varmint (bolt action) .17HMR for range shooting. These two cover all I want.
 
Buy a good Tikka or CZ rim fire as others have said spend the rest on a good scope/rings and ammo. Avoid Ruger 10-22 the only gun you can buy for $400 spend $300 on upgrades and still have a $400 gun.
 
Thanks for all the responses guys. It’s been eye opening and given me a few hours of Youtube video reviews to check.

I believe I will listen to the general consensus and get a bolt action for this first rifle. I’m waiting for my EE approval to come in and will see if there are any Anschutz within budget. I’ve also been working on a BoM from Dlask for a custom Dlask/Kidd build. That adds up quickly… I feel like one of those are in my future for sure though 😊

I do like what I have been seeing about the CZ 455 Varmint. Biggest complaint about that CZ seems to be the trigger. I will see if people have aftermarket solutions for that.
 
I have a 10/22 target, and a 10/22 takedown. Both can take any ammo except the CCI Stinger, this is because it has a longer casing. Other normal length ammo will work.

Are you sure about that, they fit in mine. I have the takedown model and the stingers drop in just as easily as the standard rounds. You my not be able to shoot them because of the extra power they have but it wouldn't be because of the case length.
 
I do like what I have been seeing about the CZ 455 Varmint. Biggest complaint about that CZ seems to be the trigger. I will see if people have aftermarket solutions for that.

There's little to worry about the trigger. If you find it is too heavy for target shooting, a simple spring swap can be done. Springs are available from Yodave. (Google Yodave Products.)
 
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