Your location says Ontario. Doesn't Ontario already have hunting leases?
Hunting Permission: Let’s talk Price
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Your location says Ontario. Doesn't Ontario already have hunting leases?
Lots of things in life I would like to do but can't afford. Nobody is making any exception for me.
Suka
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Personally I don't forsee farmers charging for access even if they had the option; perhaps the odd one but very few. I actually think a lot of posters are projecting urban values on rural people with that. Our land is posted no hunting/trespassing yet as I type there's a local young man out hunting on it with our blessing, he bowhunted on it before our rifle season as well. Difference is he stopped at the yard and asked well before the season; as opposed to the, "I'll hunt wherever I want" ignore the signs attitude, or, "I saw a buck."
In AB we hunted our own land and one 2 section parcel of crown lease land that I'd hunted all my life (asking permission every year despite being told I didn't have to(rule was walk in, drag out)); other than that we only hunted open crown land.
In Sk as in AB if you want to hunt moose or elk every year N on crown land is about the only choice.
Despite having some cherry land we're thinking next fall go N. Take us a lifetime to get a tag for the moose that is literally 200 yds from where I sit now vs head N and hunt moose every year, just like it was in AB.
Lot's of crown land to hunt on, just perhaps not within an hour of a city.
In AB we hunted our own land and one 2 section parcel of crown lease land that I'd hunted all my life (asking permission every year despite being told I didn't have to(rule was walk in, drag out)); other than that we only hunted open crown land.
In Sk as in AB if you want to hunt moose or elk every year N on crown land is about the only choice.
Despite having some cherry land we're thinking next fall go N. Take us a lifetime to get a tag for the moose that is literally 200 yds from where I sit now vs head N and hunt moose every year, just like it was in AB.
Lot's of crown land to hunt on, just perhaps not within an hour of a city.
I'm just thinking of goose hunting in PEI
I don't ever recall going over and not having to pay to use a field to hunt and I am talking my first time in 1980
I know 10 years ago some farmers were charging $10,000 a field for an outfitter to use their field for the season and I am guessing more now
Cheers
I don't ever recall going over and not having to pay to use a field to hunt and I am talking my first time in 1980
I know 10 years ago some farmers were charging $10,000 a field for an outfitter to use their field for the season and I am guessing more now
Cheers
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Man, I have missed the OP; I had forgotten how entertaining he is.
Whether or not...or how much...I would be willing to pay to hunt on his little preserve-of-the-mind would depend largely upon the opportunities available there. So, how about it, umchorn? What's the current status of that slice of heaven you call your own? Is the fence up? Are the burgeoning game populations comprised entirely of native game that was unfortunate enough to be within the fence perimeter when you put it up, or did you buy stock from elsewhere and introduce them? Did you ever get that pair of grizzlies that you were talking about at one time? How about the "manager" you were advertising for...you know, the guy who was supposed to oversee this vast wilderness estate...who did you hire? How many folks took you up on your generous offer to let them pay for shares in this enterprise? How will you charge? Will it be a daily rate plus a trophy fee system like Africa? Or will you adopt the more European plan, where fees are based on inches of horn, or pounds of antler/bone? Will you be offering canned put-and-take hunts as well, or will all that game be composed of self-sustaining populations on your acreage...what was it again...400 acres?
Please...enlighten the unwashed masses...we await your wisdom.
Whether or not...or how much...I would be willing to pay to hunt on his little preserve-of-the-mind would depend largely upon the opportunities available there. So, how about it, umchorn? What's the current status of that slice of heaven you call your own? Is the fence up? Are the burgeoning game populations comprised entirely of native game that was unfortunate enough to be within the fence perimeter when you put it up, or did you buy stock from elsewhere and introduce them? Did you ever get that pair of grizzlies that you were talking about at one time? How about the "manager" you were advertising for...you know, the guy who was supposed to oversee this vast wilderness estate...who did you hire? How many folks took you up on your generous offer to let them pay for shares in this enterprise? How will you charge? Will it be a daily rate plus a trophy fee system like Africa? Or will you adopt the more European plan, where fees are based on inches of horn, or pounds of antler/bone? Will you be offering canned put-and-take hunts as well, or will all that game be composed of self-sustaining populations on your acreage...what was it again...400 acres?
Please...enlighten the unwashed masses...we await your wisdom.
the spank
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Awesome!!
Each Grizzly requires about 400 square kms of range and he’s going to put 2 in 400 acres rich with elk, bison and deer. Man they should be some trophy sized bears in no time with all that fenced in feed!!
Brutus
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Or offer protect livestock during calving/ewing season.
When a farmer friend lost turkeys and chickens we went on campaign against coyotes.
I have 13 quarters of land ranging from crop land to thick bush. No high fence.
Opportunity for White-tail, Mule deer, Moose and Elk. All native game.
Can offer a place to skin/gut and split your animal plus any equipment needed to retrieve your kill.
Trimmer 905
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Yes,On a very limited basis. Please see post #42.
sam menard
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I hunt Unit 10 in NW Ontario. It is on the US/Canada border. This is one of the few units in Ontario where non-residents require to be "accompanied" by a licenced guide. A guide can be any Ontario resident that pays the $10 fee and a guide can take on 2 hunters at a time but doesn't have to be out in the field with them; just "contactable". There aren't a lot of areas in NW Ontario where a hunter can enjoy good deer hunting, but unit 10 is one of the better places to go. It draws in a lot of hunters from across northern Ontario and the US. The resident hunting season runs from late October to December 15th, while the non-resident season is from November 1 to 15th each year.
I've been hunting Unit 10 since 1984 and have seen a lot of changes since then. There are a lot more hunters, a lot more woodlands have been cut down, less deer, and more wolves. A really big change has been hunters paying landowners for sole access to hunt private land. This phenomenon started with the non-resident hunters as well as with several outfitting businesses that sprung up in the late 1990's/2000's when the deer population peaked.
There was a time when landowners freely gave permission to hunt their lands... as long as you appeared responsible and didn't wreck anything. Although it was fairly common for non-residents to own property in the unit, they bought a lot of land in the past 20 years; most of it swamp. Needless to say, they need places to hunt and are willing to pay top dollar for sole access. We were recently shut out of one of our favourite haunts because of this. In order to get it back we had to pay $500 for the season. This left me very uncomfortable. This property will change hands in the next few months, and we will be shut out again. With all of the logging on private land that has happened in the past 20 years, the competition for hunting access, fewer deer, and more wolves it's getting hard to find good places to hunt.
I've got my eye on some other properties and will contact the landowners in the coming year, but the odds are against us.
I've been hunting Unit 10 since 1984 and have seen a lot of changes since then. There are a lot more hunters, a lot more woodlands have been cut down, less deer, and more wolves. A really big change has been hunters paying landowners for sole access to hunt private land. This phenomenon started with the non-resident hunters as well as with several outfitting businesses that sprung up in the late 1990's/2000's when the deer population peaked.
There was a time when landowners freely gave permission to hunt their lands... as long as you appeared responsible and didn't wreck anything. Although it was fairly common for non-residents to own property in the unit, they bought a lot of land in the past 20 years; most of it swamp. Needless to say, they need places to hunt and are willing to pay top dollar for sole access. We were recently shut out of one of our favourite haunts because of this. In order to get it back we had to pay $500 for the season. This left me very uncomfortable. This property will change hands in the next few months, and we will be shut out again. With all of the logging on private land that has happened in the past 20 years, the competition for hunting access, fewer deer, and more wolves it's getting hard to find good places to hunt.
I've got my eye on some other properties and will contact the landowners in the coming year, but the odds are against us.
Some local farmers whom I know, (but whose land I do not hunt) have inquired of me, knowing that I hunt, what I would be willing to pay. They have people already hunting their land, and are considering making some $$ from them.
Usually when I ask what led them to believe this was a good idea, they reference it being commonplace in the U.S.
I always respond with a recommendation, which is based on advice I received from one knowledgeable on the subject.
They ought, for insurance considerations, first speak with their insurance broker, and perhaps their lawyer, ask recommended liability insurance coverage, and what impact on their premium, a fee for hunting will incur.
Once a fee is rendered for a service, there is a much greater exposure to liability for the party receiving funds for a service. Generally, the increased insurance premium and risk is not worth whatever premium they are considering charging hunters.
It is my hope that fee for access does not expand here in Ontario. Hunting is a great sport, and it ought remain equal access regardless of your bank balance. A bit of common respect, courtesy and relationship goes a long way in securing access to agricultural land. Personally, I do not ever plan to pay for access. I have more than enough land on which to hunt now, some private, some public.
Usually when I ask what led them to believe this was a good idea, they reference it being commonplace in the U.S.
I always respond with a recommendation, which is based on advice I received from one knowledgeable on the subject.
They ought, for insurance considerations, first speak with their insurance broker, and perhaps their lawyer, ask recommended liability insurance coverage, and what impact on their premium, a fee for hunting will incur.
Once a fee is rendered for a service, there is a much greater exposure to liability for the party receiving funds for a service. Generally, the increased insurance premium and risk is not worth whatever premium they are considering charging hunters.
It is my hope that fee for access does not expand here in Ontario. Hunting is a great sport, and it ought remain equal access regardless of your bank balance. A bit of common respect, courtesy and relationship goes a long way in securing access to agricultural land. Personally, I do not ever plan to pay for access. I have more than enough land on which to hunt now, some private, some public.
Ummm... been awake much in the last couple of years on the status of PFRA pastures? They don’t exist any more. They are run by local ranchers on a temporary basis until the natives take them over as TLE land... the province has been selling piles of marginal land on the edges of the provincial pastures, only a matter of time before the rest goes.
There are no additional insurance premiums or liabilities when I charge another farmer for access, why would it be any different for charging a hunter for access?
Golf is a great sport, not everyone can afford to play. Should everyone have equal access?
Yes they do but they can designate the good hunting areas as classified and then charge you extra to hunt those areas....just as they do currently on the skeena river when fishing for salmon....never underestimate the greed of the government!
Money transferring is what legally forms a contract. This was derived from a fellow who is employed in the re-insurance business. He does risk assessments for their customers, insurance companies, and is knowledgeable.
Same principle applies to snowmobile trails. If the clubs ever paid landowners money for trail access, liability would increase on the landowner.
Call your insurance company and inquire if the premiums would be higher if you charge people to hunt on the land. It's about risk, or their perception of risk.
Golf? I do not equate the two sports. I see hunting as part of our heritage in Canada. Not free access necessarily, it will always have some costs, but perhaps I can clarify... I do not want hunting to turn into an elite sport where only the upper crust can afford to participate.
We wanted to buy some of the previously cultivated land on the edge of our local pfra pasture but the province decided to sign a 50 year lease with the newly formed cooperative instead. All the other pastures in the area went the same route. The natives will never be taking over any of these pastures in the south.
