Hunting Permission: Let’s talk Price

53Izzy744 said:
That isnt payment if the hunter is simply giving a gift. If the land owner demanded it then yes thats a payment.

As for pay to play. I hope it doesnt get to that. But i wouldnt blame the land owner for trying to help pay the bills by doing short term lease for hunting.
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It is illegal for the farmer to accept gifts for access.
 
It is not illegal to give or to accept a gift as a thank you. It is illegal to demand anything of value. FYI I have on more than one occasion hunted with a CO and carried on with the practice of gifting a bottle.
 
I've been offered a bottle occasionally, I always turn it down. The game belongs to all taxpayers. Not that I don't like a bottle, just don't think it would be right.

What some I believe don't seem to grasp is my land is MY LAND. I've worked my a$$ off my entire life to build what I am now able to pass to my heirs. I don't have a retirement nest egg, I don't have a pension, I have land. Anyone who thinks they have some magical right to enjoy the fruits of my labor/my property can go to hell.

It really is that simple. Want an opinion? Buy your own damn land. Want to go on my land? Ask first or stay off; that shouldn't be a problem because it's MY LAND, NOT YOURS. I really don't understand why that's so hard to comprehend.
 
Ridersfan said:
It is not illegal to give or to accept a gift as a thank you. It is illegal to demand anything of value. FYI I have on more than one occasion hunted with a CO and carried on with the practice of gifting a bottle.
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You tied the gift directly to the hunting with the 66 pounder upgrade with success. Not that I care; I personally think that charging / paying for access is entirely logical.

Sale of hunting rights
43 Subject to this Act and the regulations, no person shall, directly or indirectly, sell, trade or barter or offer for sale, trade or barter the hunting rights for wildlife on any land.
 
Suka said:
I've been offered a bottle occasionally, I always turn it down. The game belongs to all taxpayers. Not that I don't like a bottle, just don't think it would be right.

What some I believe don't seem to grasp is my land is MY LAND. I've worked my a$$ off my entire life to build what I am now able to pass to my heirs. I don't have a retirement nest egg, I don't have a pension, I have land. Anyone who thinks they have some magical right to enjoy the fruits of my labor/my property can go to hell.

It really is that simple. Want an opinion? Buy your own damn land. Want to go on my land? Ask first or stay off; that shouldn't be a problem because it's MY LAND, NOT YOURS. I really don't understand why that's so hard to comprehend.
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Bravo, sir! This should be a sticky; not the whole thread, just this one post. It says it all.
 
Ridersfan said:
It is not illegal to give or to accept a gift as a thank you. It is illegal to demand anything of value. FYI I have on more than one occasion hunted with a CO and carried on with the practice of gifting a bottle.
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Sale of hunting or shooting rights prohibited
27 No person shall, directly or indirectly, sell, trade or barter or offer for sale, trade
or barter the hunting or shooting rights over any land.
1950, c.76, s.26; R.S.S. 1953, c.323, s.27.
 
the spank said:
Where do you see that in my statement? No I do not but I sure as hell am not paying for the privilidge either. This year was a good example of what could potentially do a landowner more harm than good with swath laying on the ground for over a month creating a smorgasbord for waterfowl. The farmers I contacted this year were literally pleading us to get the birds off their swath. My being allowed to hunt free was providing them a free service at moving birds off the crops. Imagine if we had to pay in a year like this? Not likely and the up and down cycles of good harvest weather years and poor weather service years offsets itself even if money was to change hands because in a year of need I’d damned well be charging for my services if I have to pay for access in the non-need years!!
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If it's too wet to harvest swathed grain ( very few swath grain anymore, most straight combine), the farmer is compensated by crop insurance, so they don't really care about the birds. At least here in MB. It's sandhill cranes in standing grainfields that they hate.
 
Well I think it's time to cut down the 200 acres acres of old growth timber and plow the remaining 270 acres and put it into production. I'll glyphosate the regrowth next year and burn the slash.

These animals ain't worth sweet jack all!! On any given year at least 5 different bears, (mama with 2 cubs), a dozen deer (a few real wall hangers over the years) a few elk including a 350 inch and a bunch of coyotes and rabbits. Guess the owls, hawks, ruffed grouse and sharp tails can call someone else's property home now. Unless of course no one elses property is a suitable home either.

Oh well, don't care anymore for wildlife. I got bills to pay and this wildlife don't cover a cent. I ain't giving them a home for free anymore. After all why should I when its timber and grain that pays the bills? Sure do like watching wildlife though. Nothing like it really. But I guess I can get used to watching that grain grow.

After all I can just ask someone for permission and then I can hunt for free. Have to remind myself to smile and say thank you, maybe give em a pack of sausages. Yep that should cover it. Plus there's plenty of crown land. Yep, why would I pay to hunt? Plenty of other land to hunt here in this here Canada! Yep I sure am smart.

Gee whizz I wish that government would let a guy charge for access though...hmmm maybe then I'd keep that 470 acres the way nature made it! Gosh darn it what an idea! If only I could make money owning land...you know I just might keep it natural and wild??
 
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umchorn2 said:
...hmmm maybe then I'd keep that 470 acres the way nature made it!
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Never seen nature make it with high fences.

So you haven’t found anyone dumb enough to take you up on your various land caretaker schemes and now you’re mad that the government won’t just let you charge basic land access fees. We all get it and see through your posts. I hate to break this to you but instead of land you should have bought a Tim Hortons. Then again, if you can’t make money “owning land” without monetizing the animals or plowing everything under, you are clearly some kind of special.
 
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umchorn2 said:
Well I think it's time to cut down the 200 acres acres of old growth timber and plow the remaining 270 acres and put it into production. I'll glyphosate the regrowth next year and burn the slash.

These animals ain't worth sweet jack all!! On any given year at least 5 different bears, (mama with 2 cubs), a dozen deer (a few real wall hangers over the years) a few elk including a 350 inch and a bunch of coyotes and rabbits. Guess the owls, hawks, ruffed grouse and sharp tails can call someone else's property home now. Unless of course no one elses property is a suitable home either.

Oh well, don't care anymore for wildlife. I got bills to pay and this wildlife don't cover a cent. I ain't giving them a home for free anymore. After all why should I when its timber and grain that pays the bills? Sure do like watching wildlife though. Nothing like it really. But I guess I can get used to watching that grain grow.

After all I can just ask someone for permission and then I can hunt for free. Have to remind myself to smile and say thank you, maybe give em a pack of sausages. Yep that should cover it. Plus there's plenty of crown land. Yep, why would I pay to hunt? Plenty of other land to hunt here in this here Canada! Yep I sure am smart.

Gee whizz I wish that government would let a guy charge for access though...hmmm maybe then I'd keep that 470 acres the way nature made it! Gosh darn it what an idea! If only I could make money owning land...you know I just might keep it natural and wild??
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Such a small parcel of land isn’t really suitable as s hunt farm anyway, you’d be better off renting it out to a canola producer.
 
I could only dream of having even a dozen acres to call my own. I currently have 1 acre of woods at my house and love every inch of it (thats what she said). Granted i would never buy property with the goal of making money off of it so to each their own. But me personally, those of you who own land and do allow people to hunt on it, you guys are what keeps this pass time alive. I started hunting relatively late in life (30s) and now that the land owner that allows my dad and i to hunt is getting up in years, we know we have precious little time left. My dad is too old to be busting his hump in crown land so i know my years hunting with him are running out unless we find someone else nice enough to allow us access. I have a few friends that know farmers that let them goose hunt so that might be able to keep going but hunting deer may be out for me for a long while once we lose this access. Especially if people start charging money everywhere you go.

Anywho, if its your land i respect your right to charge for access. Sucks that your province forbids that though. Although i dont believe that you should be allowed to fence in your property (for the sole purpose of keeping game in) unless you have purchased the animals that are contained within it. Those are gods creatures born in the wild and should remain wild and free.
 
Buck_Up said:
Some local farmers whom I know, (but whose land I do not hunt) have inquired of me, knowing that I hunt, what I would be willing to pay. They have people already hunting their land, and are considering making some $$ from them.
Usually when I ask what led them to believe this was a good idea, they reference it being commonplace in the U.S.

I always respond with a recommendation, which is based on advice I received from one knowledgeable on the subject.

They ought, for insurance considerations, first speak with their insurance broker, and perhaps their lawyer, ask recommended liability insurance coverage, and what impact on their premium, a fee for hunting will incur.
Once a fee is rendered for a service, there is a much greater exposure to liability for the party receiving funds for a service. Generally, the increased insurance premium and risk is not worth whatever premium they are considering charging hunters.

It is my hope that fee for access does not expand here in Ontario. Hunting is a great sport, and it ought remain equal access regardless of your bank balance. A bit of common respect, courtesy and relationship goes a long way in securing access to agricultural land. Personally, I do not ever plan to pay for access. I have more than enough land on which to hunt now, some private, some public.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS!!^^^^^^^^^^^^

Boreas said:
Why don't we go back to the good ol' days when deer belonged to the Monarchy?
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They still are,as do all game animals. That's why we need provincial and federal licenses to hunt. They can't be bought,sold or bartered.
 
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