Lube your AR

Wow.... How quickly a thread can deviate in a matter of only 1 page....

Anyway we can get the detour back on track? I was kind of interested in the technical aspect of what they did to make them jam as much. Did they bury them under 1' of sand, pull them out and start firing or what? That is a lot of stoppage, and I know from personal experience (Drumheller fun) and stories of friends in the sandbox that they perform well enough.
 
basiclly, the "dust chamber" is a man made sand storm that they fire the rifles in, far worse then real world conditions, as you'd seldom be fighting (not impossible, but not likely either) in a severe sand storm as you could see nothing, hear nothing and would be being sandblasted at the same time. It's like the salt water corrosion tests or high speed aging....gives a comparative to different conditions ....not really illustrative of real world performance, just compares different weapon maintenance procedures....

I'm not a huge M-16 fan, I don't like the direct gas impingment, but I only play with one, and the guys who carry them seem to have good results and they are as accurate as all get out.....
 
I've only put about 2000 rounds through the AR15 platform. 100% of my stopages have been either magazine or ammo related issues. Mild lube, Excessive lube it was all good. Now when I drop it in the dirt, I wipe it off and relube and I stay out of the sandbox with it.
 
Matt_P said:
Give me a break.

Yeah AR's look good and they've been in every cool action movie from the 80s but can you honestly say they perform well in anything but ideal conditions?

And by "perform well" I mean operate with few enough malfunctions and low enough maintenance to be able to rely on when crazy a**holes are trying to kill you.
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You should get out of your mom's basement and do some research.

Clearly, you don't own/shoot/use or even ever fondled a real AR.

Unless you have some PERSONAL experience why the AR 'needs to be replaced', don't expect anyone to take you seriously around here.
 
Absolutely the AR needs replacing. It is too good and simply unethical for our side to have it and not the other side. Canada is built on equality and unless our troops have crappy AK's with washed out barrels then that equality doesn't exist. I also reccomend replacing our air support, tanks and artillery with white toyota corollas.
 
Lets not forget folks that the AR platform is a tight tolerance machine. Poor maintenance, lack of lube and hostile environments will cause issues. As we know, or atleast as some of us know. The AK platform has issues as well and like any complex machine it can and does fail. For those who don't "know" this i suggest you do more research or contact any of the members here on CGN who have either had one fail on them or witnessed one fail in REAL WORLD ENVIRONMENTS.

TDC
 
canucklehead said:
You should get out of your mom's basement and do some research.

Clearly, you don't own/shoot/use or even ever fondled a real AR.

Unless you have some PERSONAL experience why the AR 'needs to be replaced', don't expect anyone to take you seriously around here.
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How do you know what kinds of guns I own or have even shot? :onCrack:

I'm not going to get in to some retarded argument with you. If you want to just make irritating remarks or throw insults my way then I'll just quit this thread cause I'm here to discuss guns, not to talk about who has the most experience firing an AR at paper targets.

Don't you think that our troops deserve the best equipment? Are you saying that for ####holes like afghanistan the AR is the best machine money can buy and you can trust it to keep our soldiers alive?

I've got close friends in the armed forces who would all appreciate a more reliable and easily maintained platform and you can't argue against that. Like the poster above me said the AR is a "tight tolerance machine" and it's not the best weapon to be dragging through the sand.

Is it a fine piece of engineering? yeah. Is it accurate? Hell yeah. Does it look cool? You bet. Can you rely on it in real world conditions? YEs, but there are machines out there that are more suited for the job. That's all I meant when I said the AR needs to be replaced.
 
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Matt_P said:
How do you know what kinds of guns I own or have even shot? :onCrack:

I'm not going to get in to some retarded argument with you. If you want to just make irritating remarks or throw insults my way then I'll just quit this thread cause I'm here to discuss guns, not to talk about who has the most experience firing an AR at paper targets.

Don't you think that our troops deserve the best equipment? Are you saying that for s**tholes like afghanistan the AR is the best machine money can buy and you can trust it to keep our soldiers alive?

I've got close friends in the armed forces who would all appreciate a more reliable and easily maintained platform and you can't argue against that. Like the poster above me said the AR is a "tight tolerance machine" and it's not the best weapon to be dragging through the sand.

Is it a fine piece of engineering? yeah. Is it accurate? Hell yeah. Does it look cool? You bet. Can you rely on it in real world conditions? YEs, but there are machines out there that are more suited for the job. That's all I meant when I said the AR needs to be replaced.
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I would trust what Reaper says, Because unlike me, He was on 2 way ranges, I wasn't, So says if they're good wpns I would trust him. I spent 6 1/2 months over there, I never had a problem with my New Issued C7A2 that I carried since I pull it out of the box in April 2006. I was Issued a C8 FTHB that I had some problem with it due to mags. But I fixed those.

Your Friend? How long has he been in the forces, Because usually newer members ##### more about wanting a new weapons.

Professional Armourer (Parts Swaper) says it all...Sit in the gun shop fix broken guns, fire enough rounds to be like yup it works and give it back to the person....Not the person thats using the wpn everyday.

What would you replace the C7/C8/M4 Etc with?
 
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As carried by the Royal Newfoundland Regiment. Looks like they are already in service.
 
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Matt_P said:
How do you know what kinds of guns I own or have even shot? :onCrack:

I'm not going to get in to some retarded argument with you. If you want to just make irritating remarks or throw insults my way then I'll just quit this thread cause I'm here to discuss guns, not to talk about who has the most experience firing an AR at paper targets.

Don't you think that our troops deserve the best equipment? Are you saying that for s**tholes like afghanistan the AR is the best machine money can buy and you can trust it to keep our soldiers alive?

I've got close friends in the armed forces who would all appreciate a more reliable and easily maintained platform and you can't argue against that. Like the poster above me said the AR is a "tight tolerance machine" and it's not the best weapon to be dragging through the sand.

Is it a fine piece of engineering? yeah. Is it accurate? Hell yeah. Does it look cool? You bet. Can you rely on it in real world conditions? YEs, but there are machines out there that are more suited for the job. That's all I meant when I said the AR needs to be replaced.
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Okay Mr Wizard. Replace the C7 and C8... with WHAT? You've been blah blah blah about how bad the AR platform sucks and isn't reliable... so, what's your suggestion? I'm sure governments haven't spent MILLIONS looking at other options. :rolleyes:

And no, you're not a weapons tech - we all know that. And yes, I'm sure you do live in your mothers basement.

"Is it a fine piece of engineering? yeah. Is it accurate? Hell yeah. Does it look cool? You bet."

...and THAT'S how I know. Do you really think ANYONE with ANY REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE gives two rips about how 'cool' it looks?

Anyway - you're a poser. We can all see that now. Enjoy your armchair.
 
canucklehead said:
Okay Mr Wizard. Replace the C7 and C8... with WHAT? You've been blah blah blah about how bad the AR platform sucks and isn't reliable... so, what's your suggestion? I'm sure governments haven't spent MILLIONS looking at other options. :rolleyes:

And no, you're not a weapons tech - we all know that. And yes, I'm sure you do live in your mothers basement.

"Is it a fine piece of engineering? yeah. Is it accurate? Hell yeah. Does it look cool? You bet."

...and THAT'S how I know. Do you really think ANYONE with ANY REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE gives two rips about how 'cool' it looks?

Anyway - you're a poser. We can all see that now. Enjoy your armchair.
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HEY I live in my Mothers Basement :D


OK Mr Wizard.

Lets see... In the last 5 year we got C8 FTHB to replace our old light weight barreled, A1 sight, C8's, C7A2's to replace the C7A1. Sure they were referbished, But still a newer wpn (Somewhat better then the Old A1's) C9A2...

If it wasn't reliable then we wouldn't have them....

What do you want to see us carrying L85's (LAUGH), How about M16/M4's? HK XM8 (Failed) FN SCAR (HUH) How About Robarms XCR ( Whos using them or are they even out)


OOOOOHHHH How about Mp5's because all the cool guys are carrying them....
 
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canucklehead said:
Okay Mr Wizard. Replace the C7 and C8... with WHAT? You've been blah blah blah about how bad the AR platform sucks and isn't reliable... so, what's your suggestion? I'm sure governments haven't spent MILLIONS looking at other options. :rolleyes:

And no, you're not a weapons tech - we all know that. And yes, I'm sure you do live in your mothers basement.

"Is it a fine piece of engineering? yeah. Is it accurate? Hell yeah. Does it look cool? You bet."

...and THAT'S how I know. Do you really think ANYONE with ANY REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE gives two rips about how 'cool' it looks?

Anyway - you're a poser. We can all see that now. Enjoy your armchair.
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Look bud I don't know what your problem is but you seem to be the only one in this thread who can't carry on a decent discussion without resorting to personal insults.

Poser? Live in my moms basement? What the hell do you possibly expect me to say to your ridiculous inferences? Do you know me? NO so shut the F@ck up. I'm done with replying to your garbage.
 
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RobSmith said:
Anybody actually carrying such a poorly performing weapon in combat should be automatically given the Medal of Honor with that sort of performance as it sounds borderline suicidal ...
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For all of you "what a crappy gun" nuts, re-read the original post: "extreme dust and sand conditions of the test, "

I can devise a test that will stop any gun ever made. Until you know the exact conditions of the test you cannot draw any inference to real-world function.

Regarding the test results, a lot of people I know say "better dirty and wet than dirty and dry". Of course, better clean, but if that isn't an option keep it wet.
 
Matt_P said:
can you honestly say they perform well in anything but ideal conditions?
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Yes I can. Can you prove otherwise with real-world, statistically-valid studies? You have already heard from several people here that they perform well in real-world conditions - have you countervailing experience to share, like the time when you were in the Sudan and, say, 50% your team's weapons failed in spite of normal maintenance?
 
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