Crazy Velocity Recorded today!

JasonYuke

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Well it was a hot day on the range!
I have 2 7mm Ultra mags and i thought after working up some loads i would push one of them to the limits to see what i could get

Hornady 139 interbond
Rl-25

- 3 shots over the chrony avge 3760 fps with 1 1/2 Moa

-that same combo at 3470 will shoot 3/4 moa

Cant imagin the destruction 3760 would do if the bullet came apart?
 
I have shot deer with a 7mm STW which is slower than your velocities and no matter where the critter was shot it created meat damage throughout the animal. I gave up on warp speed velocity for game because standard core bullets have a tendancy to fragment like varmint bullets at those velocites. Barnes bullets will work much better but not everyone who buys them gets accuracy.You will find that heavy bullets doing modest speeds work better and penetrate deeper.
In bear country I would rather have a heavy 33 or 35 caliber bullet going 2500 fps than a small diameter bullet doing 3600 fps.
There is a reason that a 7mm isn't legal to shoot cape buffalo where the 375 H&H is..............bigger is better.
 
Well I was just pushing the crap out a this one there is not need for it but hey if ya got it you got it Velocity wise!

And the RUMs definately got it!

Was just an experiment i wanted to try, and still no hard bolt lift, try one more grain and see what happens!
 
You will find that heavy bullets doing modest speeds work better and penetrate deeper.

Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion,but I would not be at all nervous using my 7mmstw with the 140gr mrx on any game animal in North America.If I was specifically after the big coastal bears,I would use my 300ultramag with the 180gr tsx.Either will offer as much or more penetration than the loads used by the vast majority of hunters.
 
relax guys not the first pwder charge i dropped, primers are seated fine, no hard bolt lift, just great velocty, and accuracys fine for hunting 1 1/2 is acceptable, and hey why not use it if it work safe in the gun.

Its not that far off factory! 3500 with factory ammo! and more pressure signs than any thing, and BTW before you judge to quick it took me 6 month to get there!
 
By any chance was the chronograph being used a Chrony,and has this velocity been verified on a second chronograph?Depending on light conditions,I have seen variations of over 100fps between two chrony units set up one behind the other.A slight change in lighting,and the velocities were within a few feet per second.
 
I don't see anything wrong with an experienced reloader puttin his "foot into it" to see what it'll do. If factorys are 3500fps it's sure not uncommon to find another 100 or so with better powders, especially in these days of Liability & Litigation, the manufacturers are so afraid of! Hell my .280 will shove 139s out at almost 3100 & works best at 3000fps (according to MY chrony).

That said....Stubblejumper is absolutly right, Chrony brand chronographs can show quite a variation from one to another, my neighbours shows 75fps faster than mine consistantly when set up one behind the other. They are still a good reloading tool as long as you take that into account.
 
By any chance was the chronograph being used a Chrony,and has this velocity been verified on a second chronograph?Depending on light conditions,I have seen variations of over 100fps between two chrony units set up one behind the other.A slight change in lighting,and the velocities were within a few feet per second.


I was getting normal 3250 fps wiht a 180gr Bullet from a 300RUM the other day...Then the sun moved, and all of a sudden I was getting 4600fps wiht the same charge...:evil:
 
Then the sun moved, and all of a sudden I was getting 4600fps wiht the same charge
Yes the ballistic advantage of the proper angle of the sun's rays on a bullet's velocity is well documented. That's why one should only hunt dangerous tough game with the sun on one's shoulder. If cloudy - don't hunt.:D

Seriously - I'd throw that chrony against a wall if it did that kind of thing much. I would have very little patience with a finicky chronograph. Just me I guess.

More positively, once I set two chronographs side by side to compare velocity readings. Both indicated virtually the same velocity. I was shooting 250s from a 35Whelen at about 2550, I fired 6 shots - 3 thru one chrony and 3 thru the other. There was not more than 10 fps spread between the two chronographs display readings. The loads were not experimental and they were well known to be very consistent shot to shot.
 
Well guys it very possible! that the chrony could be reading off!
I am at 96.5 gr of rl-25 @ 3760

was at 3570 with 94.8
was at 3600 with 95.2
was at 3620 with 95.5
I was guessing at 96.5 i would be 3700 .... did nt expect 3760

but i shot my 308 that day at 2700 even where it should be
 
I would assume the lighting would have something to do with your gain. I talked to a friend about this subject awhile back (not your particular experience:D) that has many miles more experience than I, and he said that he has had the lower end chronographs (chrony is one of them, if you want to argue about it find someone else) react extremely sensitive to light and shadow. He gave a few interesting examples in our conversation that are very pertinent. One would be, while working up a new load for a .222 Rem with a 55 grain Sierra he was trying H322, a powder he had not used in this cartridge before. He was working up to a recommended maximum, as recommended:p, and about 2 grains short of 'maximum' he was suddenly clippin' those .222's along at 3400 fps! He shot twice more quickly and had readings within 50 fps of the last. Now being that .5 grain earlier he was only getting a 2800fps reading he found this quite odd. In fact he said he would have questioned whether he had used the right powder or not, except that was the only cartridge he was loading at the range that day, and the only powder he had with him was a single can of H322. Accuracy had even improved with this increase, so he assumed maybe, just maybe he had best let the gun sit and he should load a few more rounds with the same charge of powder and and try a different 'mean' rifle over the chrony to see if his senses where still with him. When he came back it was that perfect time of day for shooting. The range he was at was in the mountains, and the sun had just hit the trees and all movement in the air had stopped. He first shot his pet 7x64 Brenneke over the chrony and sure enough his old standby 154gr Hornady load read 2900fps over the chrony three times. So he imagined that some how, some way he had discovered a magic combination of brass, primer, powder and seating depth for this particular bullet. So he settled in and shot those those 'magic' cartridges. To his suprise the untampered chrony reread these rounds at shy of 2900 fps. Six times. That was a 500fps difference! How this could've happened only God knows, but the man I heard this from was an unexcitable fellow, prone to underestimation and belittling his own experiences (he once said that he was going to the hospital for some treatment....six months later his knee replacements had healed fully and he was climbing his beloved peaks again:rolleyes:). He could not believe that his eyes had lied to him so, and due to intelligent reasoning and experience he tried the same load the same time of day the next day, as he understood hoe the chrony functioned (when he goes to the range, he takes a trailer, and a couple hundred rounds with appropriate rifles, as good things should never be rushed;)). He had a similar problem the next day, yet not as extreme, and the Brenneke reacted as well. The chronograph in this case was his first ever, and happened to be a Chrony Alpha, and he has since invested in a Oehler.
I would definately question 3750fps as safe. But then again, you may have found that 'magic' combination some people think they have whrn the push a 300 Winnie to 3200 with a 180grainer. Only you will ever know:D.
 
Seriously - I'd throw that chrony against a wall if it did that kind of thing much. I would have very little patience with a finicky chronograph. Just me I guess.

Throw it against the wall? Surely you can come with a more interesting way to destroy it, maybe, say- and this is off the top of my head here- with a projectile of some sort? :evil:
 
Well guys it very possible! that the chrony could be reading off!
I am at 96.5 gr of rl-25 @ 3760

was at 3570 with 94.8
was at 3600 with 95.2
was at 3620 with 95.5
I was guessing at 96.5 i would be 3700 .... did nt expect 3760

but i shot my 308 that day at 2700 even where it should be

That 3760 velocity spike could be a pressure spike rearing its ugly head. The chronograph is sending you a message but nobody is home to answer the phone.

Modern brass is wonderful stuff and quite often takes abuse without showing any signs until it fails absolutely. But its a "free" country and we're all free to kill ourselves however which way we want. Liquor, tobacco, ###ually transmitted diseases, hot reloads, driving too fast, whatever. Go for it, I say. What's the use of universal healthcare if you don't use it?

The extra 200 fps will probably get you all of 15 yds extended max range, or less. And the fact is that nobody can accurately judge that extra 15 yds extended range under hunting conditions, so its worthless. But I went through a similar phase when i pushed 165 gr bullets thru a 300 winmag at amazing velocities for no real reason other than thumbing my nose at lesser beings who would not believe. Nothing ever blew up in my face. I stopped reloading in the twighlight zone but I haven't quit smoking yet.
 
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