Hunting Permission: Let’s talk Price

[1963beretta]

What difference does it make what a condo costs? Are you giving it away for nothing to those that ask? Are people
Asking?Would you swap it for hunting access? Is tbere a law forbidding you from renting it out?

The point is...to make a statement that he has more skin in the game then “most people on here” because he spent 6 figures on a small parcel of land is nonsense....actually comical is a better word to use. Give your head a shake. It will likely cost 6 figures to put up a 12’ fence around that same parcel. Its idiocy!

Oh wait...I forgot he has a whopping $700 tax bill to deal with every year. I guess he’s right....thats a lot to have to deal with....he’s definitely got more into this then everyone else

And to answer your question, yes, if a friend is in town and needs a place to stay, he or she is welcome to stay at my place anytime. No charge. Why? Because thats what I mean when I say friendships and relationships

 

[bearkilr]

You are opening a can of worms which is unconventional in Canada. You are sitting out on a limb by yourself, or at the most, with a minority group. Things are just fine the way they are, leave things alone.

Yeah, we're much better at being apathetic and seeing everything through rose colored glasses.

 

[Dogleg]

The point is...to make a statement that he has more skin in the game then “most people on here” because he spent 6 figures on a small parcel of land is nonsense....actually comical is a better word to use. Give your head a shake. It will likely cost 6 figures to put up a 12’ fence around that same parcel. Its idiocy!

Oh wait...I forgot he has a whopping $700 tax bill to deal with every year. I guess he’s right....thats a lot to have to deal with....he’s definitely got more into this then everyone else

And to answer your question, yes, if a friend is in town and needs a place to stay, he or she is welcome to stay at my place anytime. No charge. Why? Because thats what I mean when I say friendships and relationships

We used to be taught that someone who wanted to be your friend because you had more money or cool toys wasn't much of a friend at all. Conniving, lowlife beggers, con artists and users are common names for people like that. When you knock on a stranger's door looking for access its because he's got something you want. Door to door begging.

Having friends for guests is a different thing entirely.

 

[skhunter]

Wildlife has already been monetized and privatized in Canada by the establishment of game farms, which has brought us the crisis of CWD. The seeds of destruction of all deer, moose, elk hunting has been sown by by a few individuals who sought to profit from a resource belonging to all Canadians.

The fact that the economic value of game farming is negligible when compared to the value of hunting to the Canadian economy shows what folly is undertaken in the name of short term profit for a few.

Don't get me started or I will go on to the destruction of abundant fisheries all across Canada. We, as Canadians, have a lot to answer for in our mismanagement of our wild resources.

It is not about monetizing game, it's about property rights.

Landowners should have the same right to charge for use of their property as anybody else.

 

[skhunter]

The point is...to make a statement that he has more skin in the game then “most people on here” because he spent 6 figures on a small parcel of land is nonsense....actually comical is a better word to use. Give your head a shake. It will likely cost 6 figures to put up a 12’ fence around that same parcel. Its idiocy!

Oh wait...I forgot he has a whopping $700 tax bill to deal with every year. I guess he’s right....thats a lot to have to deal with....he’s definitely got more into this then everyone else

And to answer your question, yes, if a friend is in town and needs a place to stay, he or she is welcome to stay at my place anytime. No charge. Why? Because thats what I mean when I say friendships and relationships

How about a homeless stranger?

 

[Dogleg]

How about a homeless stranger?

As long as they are panhandlers with their hand out it should be OK.

Its landowners with thoughts of property rights and successful people who want to pay their own way in life that you need to watch out for. Terrible people they are; best to
just sic the dog on them before they ruin hunting.

 

[1963beretta]

How about a homeless stranger?

I dont know any homeless strangers to call friends. Also never met a homeless stranger with the means to ask for permission to hunt a property

I’ve never had a need to beg to hunt a property. But I have had property owners reach out to me to ask when I could come out to hunt their property. Funny how a mutually beneficial relationship works

And yes, they are also welcome to my place whenever they wish

 

[Bland]

Just read the entire thread, starts to get circular at times. Have lived in a heavily populated area in QC and now live in what would be the envy of most hunters. So have a sense of both extremes. Landowners do not own the wildlife but have the right to privacy on their land. Charging for people to access the land, as Umchorn suggests, for the direct purpose of hunting a specific species for a set price which will be dictated by the open market means he feels he owns the wildlife as it is between his markers. Very slippery slope there. My cousin allows certain hunters on his land at certain times of the year, there is no real financial gain here but they police the other hunters and they know how things should be left when they are done. This in a heavily populated area within an hour's drive of Montreal once you are off the island. This is reality and what works for both parties. In some areas government regs as they stand are what's best. No rich folks here flashing their money, just hunters. North central BC, so not an issue where I live now. When there are rural wooded areas near population centres there is going to be competition for that hunting opportunity. I hate most types of governance but realize it is a necessity to avoid anarchy. The system now where it is individuals working it out sits just fine with me. Characterizing it as begging demeans the discussion. Umchorn you do not own the wildlife, you cannot profit from it. That is a law I do not want changed.

 

[Dogleg]

Should only landowners, people with connections and talented beggers be allowed to hunt? Shouldn't willing buyers and willing sellers be able to make their own arrangements? It seems to me that the free #### army are the one worried about losing their free ride.

 

[1963beretta]

Everyone is entitled to conduct themselves however they wish within the law. But there are many people...landowners or otherwise, who dont feel they need to chase the dollars at every opportunity. I know with certainty that no sum of cash will convince the landowners I know to reconsider the arrangements they currently have. Why? Because its not always about the cash. Its about the relationships and mutual respect they have developed with the individuals they have given permission too.

I would have no problem giving permission to friends or acquaintances that I trust to hunt a property. Would I charge them x amount of dollars to do so? No chance. Just like I wouldnt expect a payment when Im asked for help with doing something like helping them paint their home. Would I charge a complete stranger x amount of money to hunt a property? No chance....because no amount of money will make me feel good about having someone I dont know, trust or otherwise being on my property doing god knows what. If someone wants to play that game, they are more then welcome to flash their cash elsewhere

 

[Dogleg]

Everyone is entitled to conduct themselves however they wish within the law. But there are many people...landowners or otherwise, who dont feel they need to chase the dollars at every opportunity. I know with certainty that no sum of cash will convince the landowners I know to reconsider the arrangements they currently have. Why? Because its not always about the cash. Its about the relationships and mutual respect they have developed with the individuals they have given permission too.

I would have no problem giving permission to friends or acquaintances that I trust to hunt a property. Would I charge them x amount of dollars to do so? No chance. Just like I wouldnt expect a payment when Im asked for help with doing something like helping them paint their home. Would I charge a complete stranger x amount of money to hunt a property? No chance....because no amount of money will make me feel good about having someone I dont know, trust or otherwise being on my property doing god knows what. If someone wants to play that game, they are more then welcome to flash their cash elsewhere

If it isn't about the cash the landowner would still be free to let people hunt for nothing. Why should his thoughts have any bearing on someone else's land? If someone is all about the money its still their land and should be their business.Maybe they need the money. They might also feel that they have enough friends that want something. For what its worth, nobody could buy their way onto my land now but that's because I keep it for family. It should still be my choice.The loggers who cleared off much of the surrounding area didn't have enough money either.

Is the guy who helps someone paint his house better than the guy who pays for some professionals to do it instead? Both would be illegal at home if it was for hunting access. Some people suck at painting.

The landowners that sold their bush in my area made 700 a load for it. I wonder how many of those owners would have perferred a small annual income from a hunter forever to a once in a lifetime payout to a logger? That wasnt an option they had, and that bush is gone.

 

[1963beretta]

Dogleg....Im going to save you some time in continuing to write nonsense responses to me that are completely irrelevant to anything I give a crap about. Please re-read post 219 and if you are more coherent today then yesterday, maybe you’ll actually understand the point of my post. I’ll try to make it easier for you and give you a hint....Im referencing the bold sentence written by the OP.

But since you are head bent on addressing a topic that I do not care in the very least about, I’ll give you some satisfaction and address it to you anyway. I do not care what you or anyone else wishes to do with their land. If you guys want to charge people to access your land...go fill your boots. If the law where you are located says you cant, tough beans. Go buy land in a location that allows you to conduct the type of business activity you choose to operate on such land. Thats an error on your part for not doing the proper research on what is and is not permitted prior to making your purchase. No different then in any other business activity or land development opportunity in this country.

Also, as a landowner, I dont believe you would reap much benefit to charging hunters for access. I believe that many of the good responsible hunters you would be ok with giving permission to wouldnt want to pay you what you think is a fair amount of money nor do I think you would be viewed as a good friend or family member if you chose to do so. The nice thing about free markets is that supply and demand will dictate the cost of those activities. And by the looks of it, pay for access land doesnt appear to be in high demand on this thread.

 

[Ridersfan]

So here's a new angle to stir the pot. Saskatchewan says that you can't charge access for accessing nature? And everyone here says yeah... I agree, you shouldn't have to pay to access nature... we all know that the deer aren't owned, so it's the access to nature being payed access is wrong.

So, why do we pay to be admitted to a national park, a provincial park, or a regional park??? Why does everyone's arguing points go out the window as soon as we want to go to the lake for a weekend?

 

[skhunter]

Just read the entire thread, starts to get circular at times. Have lived in a heavily populated area in QC and now live in what would be the envy of most hunters. So have a sense of both extremes. Landowners do not own the wildlife but have the right to privacy on their land. Charging for people to access the land, as Umchorn suggests, for the direct purpose of hunting a specific species for a set price which will be dictated by the open market means he feels he owns the wildlife as it is between his markers. Very slippery slope there. My cousin allows certain hunters on his land at certain times of the year, there is no real financial gain here but they police the other hunters and they know how things should be left when they are done. This in a heavily populated area within an hour's drive of Montreal once you are off the island. This is reality and what works for both parties. In some areas government regs as they stand are what's best. No rich folks here flashing their money, just hunters. North central BC, so not an issue where I live now. When there are rural wooded areas near population centres there is going to be competition for that hunting opportunity. I hate most types of governance but realize it is a necessity to avoid anarchy. The system now where it is individuals working it out sits just fine with me. Characterizing it as begging demeans the discussion. Umchorn you do not own the wildlife, you cannot profit from it. That is a law I do not want changed.

To use your logic wouldn't a farmer who denies access to his land for the express purpose of hunting be claiming to own the wildlife even if he is not asking for payment?

 

[griffin86]

So here's a new angle to stir the pot. Saskatchewan says that you can't charge access for accessing nature? And everyone here says yeah... I agree, you shouldn't have to pay to access nature... we all know that the deer aren't owned, so it's the access to nature being payed access is wrong.

So, why do we pay to be admitted to a national park, a provincial park, or a regional park??? Why does everyone's arguing points go out the window as soon as we want to go to the lake for a weekend?

I don't agree.

We should be able to charge. The outfitters are laughing all the way to the bank.

 

[skhunter]

I dont know any homeless strangers to call friends. Also never met a homeless stranger with the means to ask for permission to hunt a property

I’ve never had a need to beg to hunt a property. But I have had property owners reach out to me to ask when I could come out to hunt their property. Funny how a mutually beneficial relationship works

And yes, they are also welcome to my place whenever they wish

So you wouldn't be friends with anyone who doesn't offer you something in return.

 

[1963beretta]

So you wouldn't be friends with anyone who doesn't offer you something in return.

I take it you dont have many friends

 

[umchorn2]

Let this be my last words on the topic.

I’m making a general statement here...If you don’t want to pay for anything then you don’t have to. You get what you give. Give nothing = get nothing. Don’t expect any thing for free or take anything for granted. No one gave me their land for free, I had to buy it. I have to pay taxes that keep going up every year to the Rural Municipality for land that just sits for wildlife. Wildlife that non land holding folk think they have some rights to shoot at no cost. What really bothers me is people who have no land telling me what I can or cannot charge for my resources simply because they don’t want to pay for something. It’s like they think it’s ok to dictate who can sell what and to whom for what price and then make it the law.

If the wildlife belongs to the people it bloody well belongs to me. That’s what that whole B.S. statement means in the first place about wildlife being public. It’s my wildlife...I’m a Canadian citizen and I have a claim to that wildlife. Every Canadian has a claim but not every Canadian has the land to access that wildlife from. It can be argued I even have more of a claim than a person who lives in a condo in some big city. I own the land the animals live on and this land gives these animals life. If I was a multimillionaire I’d own even more land and have a stronger claim on the resource. But I was born with nothing, only a claim on the wildlife in this country. Everything else I own now I worked to buy it and pay taxes to retain it.

I have the right to derive an income from my land as any farmer or property owner would. If that means simply charging a fee for being on the land then so be it. I’d take that claim to the Supreme Court.

And one last statement that most of you schmucks aren’t going to like.

I’m a real hunter conservationist. I understand that if I or any humans born after me are going to have anything to hunt in the future then I have to make the investment myself. I sure as hell can’t trust a government to keep a place for me to hunt. I had to spend money to buy my own land. That makes me a conservationist. So if you’re sitting there reading this thinking you’re going to get a chance to hunt in the future for a $40 tag enjoy it while it’s free. But you won’t be getting hunting permission on my land for free. I control the access and I will set a price. I won’t be giving permission to some cheap schmuck who isn’t interested in contributing to conservation. And land owners are waking up to their rights.

So schmuck...you can either be a man with dignity, take pride and pay money to be a contributing member of the hunter conservation movement or keep begging like a free-riding loser and put your name in for another draw on public land with the rest of the cheap skates who think their entitled to their chance at the declining public resource trough. And if you’re worried you won’t be able to afford access to hunt then better work overtime, learn a new skill that pays more or not get that golf membership if you want to hunt so bad. You’d be doing us all a favor by staying at home...especially the animals.

 

[Butcherbill]

Talk about entitlement...

 

[53Izzy744]

Let this be my last words on the topic.

I’m making a general statement here...If you don’t want to pay for anything then you don’t have to. You get what you give. Give nothing = get nothing. Don’t expect any thing for free or take anything for granted. No one gave me their land for free, I had to buy it. I have to pay taxes that keep going up every year to the Rural Municipality for land that just sits for wildlife. Wildlife that non land holding folk think they have some rights to shoot at no cost. What really bothers me is people who have no land telling me what I can or cannot charge for my resources simply because they don’t want to pay for something. It’s like they think it’s ok to dictate who can sell what and to whom for what price and then make it the law.

If the wildlife belongs to the people it bloody well belongs to me. That’s what that whole B.S. statement means in the first place about wildlife being public. It’s my wildlife...I’m a Canadian citizen and I have a claim to that wildlife. Every Canadian has a claim but not every Canadian has the land to access that wildlife from. It can be argued I even have more of a claim than a person who lives in a condo in some big city. I own the land the animals live on and this land gives these animals life. If I was a multimillionaire I’d own even more land and have a stronger claim on the resource. But I was born with nothing, only a claim on the wildlife in this country. Everything else I own now I worked to buy it and pay taxes to retain it.

I have the right to derive an income from my land as any farmer or property owner would. If that means simply charging a fee for being on the land then so be it. I’d take that claim to the Supreme Court.

And one last statement that most of you schmucks aren’t going to like.

I’m a real hunter conservationist. I understand that if I or any humans born after me are going to have anything to hunt in the future then I have to make the investment myself. I sure as hell can’t trust a government to keep a place for me to hunt. I had to spend money to buy my own land. That makes me a conservationist. So if you’re sitting there reading this thinking you’re going to get a chance to hunt in the future for a $40 tag enjoy it while it’s free. But you won’t be getting hunting permission on my land for free. I control the access and I will set a price. I won’t be giving permission to some cheap schmuck who isn’t interested in contributing to conservation. And land owners are waking up to their rights.

So schmuck...you can either be a man with dignity, take pride and pay money to be a contributing member of the hunter conservation movement or keep begging like a free-riding loser and put your name in for another draw on public land with the rest of the cheap skates who think their entitled to their chance at the declining public resource trough. And if you’re worried you won’t be able to afford access to hunt then better work overtime, learn a new skill that pays more or not get that golf membership if you want to hunt so bad. You’d be doing us all a favor by staying at home...especially the animals.

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