Rise of the Bullpup

saskcop said:
Bullpups, IMHO are the most convoluted abominations ever invented.
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While I personally wouldn’t go that far, they do nothing over a conventional rifle better and that’s the reason I sold my tavor and will likely never replace it. That and their notoriety for horrible triggers is a major turn off.
 
bishop4444 said:
Bullpups are Awesome
OK yeah they have #### triggers...
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Some do, some don’t. DTAs and Barrett have good triggers, as does the K&M M17S. Not sub-ounce like a Remington 700 type trigger, but still very respectable.

Plus, shorter package for the same firepower. Why not? Minimal wasted space used by the buttsock.
 
The concept of "bullpup" doesn't suck, but there are some terrible bullpups out there with questionable ergonomics and limiting architectures from the 70's and 80's like the AUG, FAMAS and SA80.

The terrible ergonomics mostly come from design by committee syndrome and ease of mechanical design/laziness at engineering - things like "cross bolt" safety ( AUG, SA80 ), terrible fire control lever ( SA80, FAMAS) placing gas regulator next to supporting fingers ( AUG ), weird magazine release ( SA80 ), terrible places or complete lack of places to put on Laser pointer + light ( AUG, FAMAS ). No matter how much they are modernized they are still stuck with some of these issues, because of the basic architectures of the system.

X95 is pretty much the only battle proven bullpup with the ergonomics done right, with enough estate for accessories. There are some interesting firing solutions that are not easy with conventional rifles but totally fast and practical with X95. There are also some situations where the use of bullpup is infinitely easier than even a SBR like MK18. The down side of bullpup tends to be the heavier weight and non-adjustable LOP ( bad for using "scopes" with a fixed eye box and eye relief if the user add layers or armour or gear), and from a conventional shooting technique perspective, some adjustments are needed. A lot of people don't really want to invest time on the system or just too stuck on what they have been doing for years.

But as the Gurhkas have shown, one can use a SA80A3 to beat the C7A2 1-meter stick when used properly even at the most conventional shooting matches.
 
After a day at the range with my, then new to me, Travor 21, my trigger finger was in need of rehab.

However, a short online trip to ArmsEast and a visit by Mr. Geissele's Lighting Bow made a world of difference.
If I get serious about running the Travor in 3 Gun, I might look at getting Mr. Geissele's Super Sabra.

Rick
 
I love my X95, I like my RFB, and have just returned to speaking terms with my KSG.

Tavor hands down is awesomex but given the option of a non restricted AR with a 16" barrel and I would take that in a heart beat.

RFB is finiky and doesn't reliable cycle with a full five round mag (likely someone being over safe with pinning the mags), and happens even on chambering. But it's brought in two deer in two seasons, so there's something to be said for that.

KSG was in warranty hell for the last year. When it worked it, it worked and did so for a couple years, but then it didn't and now that it's back only time will tell.

The idea of a bullpup is good, and I believe it is the future of battle rifles, but not until time and bulk manufacturing catch up.
 
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RAConnol said:
After a day at the range with my, then new to me, Travor 21, my trigger finger was in need of rehab.

However, a short online trip to ArmsEast and a visit by Mr. Geissele's Lighting Bow made a world of difference.
If I get serious about running the Travor in 3 Gun, I might look at getting Mr. Geissele's Super Sabra.

Rick
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:cheers: Get the Super Sabra! Rifle. Completed.
 
FoxAlpha said:
While I personally wouldn’t go that far, they do nothing over a conventional rifle better and that’s the reason I sold my tavor and will likely never replace it. That and their notoriety for horrible triggers is a major turn off.
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Maybe not in your experiences, but they do have their merits and their place of you give them a fair shot.

Not all bullpups are equal either, and many dont have their full potential realized with out some hefty investment.

Yes you can get a good AR cheaper, but cost isn't what this conversation is about.
 
I had the Tavor. Was overall a great rifle. Fed everything and never had a single hiccup in about 5500rds. My major complaint is the price and the horrible trigger. In order to improve the trigger you have to spend $750 on an already expensive rifle. The Desert Tech is supposed to have a trigger on par with a Mil-Spec AR but I would think it will come in at the $4000 range, putting it on par or close to a X95 with a Geissele. I had the Timney in mine and it had a pull weight of just south of 4lb's.

Bullpup Rifles are love it or hate for the most part it seems. I am somewhere in the middle, do not hate them but do not love them either.
 
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