1911 or CZ75/85?

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So I've been looking at picking up a pistol in the near future. I had a .45 1911 a few years back but sold it due to not being able to get to the range much due to work and range hours.
I thoroughly enjoyed my 1911, they've always had a soft spot for me.
However work allows me more time now so I've been on the hunt a bit.
The CZ75/85s have caught my eye, as have the Beretta 92's. I've pretty much ruled out the 92's so unless something can seriously convince me I think they're written off my list.
My budget will probably be in the $700 range, I've seen a few decent CZs and 1911s in that ball park that would fulfill my semi frequent range visit.
Basically, I guess, which one would you get if you could only get one and why?
 
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I had a Norc 1911 and loved shooting, the old Canada Ammo deal few years back. I now have have a CZ 85C. I really loved the 1911, but am happy with the CZ, better trigger and sights. Also ALOT cheaper to shoot. I am now looking for a 1911 in 9 mm. Buy which ever you want cause if you are like most Nutz, you will end up with more than one HG anyway. ��. And I do have more
 
I had a Norc 1911 and loved shooting, the old Canada Ammo deal few years back. I now have have a CZ 85C. I really loved the 1911, but am happy with the CZ, better trigger and sights. Also ALOT cheaper to shoot. I am now looking for a 1911 in 9 mm. Buy which ever you want cause if you are like most Nutz, you will end up with more than one HG anyway. ��. And I do have more

One of our sponsors, Tenda, has the NP29s on for a good price right now. I have a Nork 1911 in .45 and a Nork NZ85 (CZ Clone); I like them both. The designs are completely different. For what ever reason, I do shoot the .45 more, but I reload all of my hand-gun ammo, so cost is not as much of a factor as it would be if I was buying everything.

Best advice is try them if you can; if you can not try them, then get to a dealer and hold them; find which one you like the best, and buy it.
 
So I've been looking at picking up a pistol in the near future. I had a .45 1911 a few years back but sold it due to not being able to get to the range much due to work and range hours.
I thoroughly enjoyed my 1911, they've al
However work allows me more time now so I've been on the hunt a bit.
The CZ75/85s have caught my eye, as have the Beretta 92's. I've pretty much ruled out the 92's so unless something can seriously convince me I think they're written off my list.
My budget will probably be in the $700 range, I've seen a few decent CZs and 1911s in that ball park that would fulfill my semi frequent range visit.
Basically, I guess, which one would you get if you could only get one and why?

What you should get really depends upon your budget and what type of shooting you like. I happen to own both a 1911 (Colt Gold Cup National Match) and a CZ-75 SP-1 Shadow.

1911s:

Just about everybody and his brother make and sell a 1911 pistol. Quality and shooting enjoyment usually vary in direct proportion to price, up to a certain price point.

There are cheap low end 1911, such as Norinco, which are quite crude, although usually solidly made and reliable. They cost about half the price of a CZ-75 Shadow. I have shot some, and they are quite inaccurate (at least compared to a Colt) mostly due to spongy feeling and heavy triggers. I am sure that they can be improved to some extent, through tuning and parts changes, but that brings the cost up considerably.

There are mid price 1911, which are well made, reliable, accurate and have crisp, if somewhat heavy triggers. In that category, I would include the Ruger SR1911, the Remington R1, and the base Smith & Wesson model. These cost about the same as a CZ-75 Shadow.

There are high end 1911, such as my Colt Gold Cup National Match. The latter has a dream trigger breaking like glass at about 2 1/4 pounds. It sports a mirror like gloss bluing and is extremely accurate and reliable. It also costs more than twice the price of a CZ-75 Shadow, if you were to buy it new.


CZ 75

The most common of these are the SP-01 Shadow and the 75b. They are polycoated guns, as opposed to blued. Polycoating is acheaper, albeit less durable finish.

They are double action pistols, as opposed to single action for the 1911. For range use, this makes little difference.

In single action, there is considerable trigger take up, but a solid and well defined wall. The trigger breaks cleanly, with very little required pressure. These models do not feature a decocker, although other CZ models do.

The IWI Jericho 941 (the all steel version) is a CZ 75 clone. It is cheaper than the CZ and I have heard good things about them, although I have no personal experience with that pistol.


Pros and cons of each:

The .45 ACP is more expensive to shoot and reload.
The 9 mm Luger has lighter recoil than 45 ACP
The CZ-75 Shadow is a bit heavier and has a more ergonomic grip. It soaks up recoil better than most 1911.
The 1911 looks better.
The 1911 is limited to 8 rd. magazine capacity in 45 ACP. The CZ 9 mm mags accept 10 rounds.
9 mm brass can be found in abundance for free in the recycling pails of most gun clubs. 45 ACP is less common.
 
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What you should get really depends upon your budget and what type of shooting you like. I happen to own both a 1911 (Colt Gold Cup National Match) and a CZ-75 SP-1 Shadow.

1911s:

Just about everybody and his brother make and sell a 1911 pistol. Quality and shooting enjoyment usually vary in direct proportion to price, up to a certain price point.

There are cheap low end 1911, such as Norinco, which are quite crude, although usually solidly made and reliable. They cost about half the price of a CZ-75 Shadow. I have shot some, and they are quite inaccurate (at least compared to a Colt) mostly due to spongy feeling and heavy triggers. I am sure that they can be improved to some extent, through tuning and parts changes, but that brings the cost up considerably.

There are mid price 1911, which are well made, reliable, accurate and have crisp, if somewhat heavy triggers. In that category, I would include the Ruger SR1911, the Remington R1, and the base Smith & Wesson model. These cost about the same as a CZ-75 Shadow.

There are high end 1911, such as my Colt Gold Cup National Match. The latter has a dream trigger breaking like glass at about 2 1/4 pounds. It sports a mirror like gloss bluing and is extremely accurate and reliable. It also costs more than twice the price of a CZ-75 Shadow, if you were to buy it new.


CZ 75

The most common of these are the SP-01 Shadow and the 75b. They are polycoated guns, as opposed to blued. Polycoating is acheaper, albeit less durable finish.

They are double action pistols, as opposed to single action for the 1911. For range use, this makes little difference.

In single action, there is considerable trigger take up, but a solid and well defined wall. The trigger breaks cleanly, with very little required pressure. These models do not feature a decocker, although other CZ models do.

The IWI Jericho is a CZ 75 clone. It is cheaper than the original and I have heard good things about them, although I have no personal experience.


Pros and cons of each:

The .45 ACP is more expensive to shoot and reload.
The 9 mm Luger has lighter recoil than 45 ACP
The CZ-75 Shadow is a bit heavier and has a more ergonomic grip. It soaks up recoil better than most 1911.
The 1911 looks better.
The 1911 is limited to 8 rd. magazine capacity in 45 ACP. The CZ 9 mm mags accept 10 rounds.
9 mm brass can be found in abundance for free in the recycling pails of most gun clubs. 45 ACP is less common.

The jericho is cheaper than a CZ 75, YES. Apparently well made. The only issue is that the safety is mounted on the slide (at least on the models we can get in Canada), right within the slide serrations area. I guess it doesnt matter much as a range gun. I own a 75B myslef and I really like it.
The 1911 is iconic, but you above poster mentions, 9mm is cheaper to shoot. My vote is with CZ.
 
I have two cz's right now and am down to only one 1911. The cz's are much cheaper to shoot. They are dead nuts reliable and very accurate. But, when it comes to knocking steel down quickly, it is hard to beat a 1911.
 
Buy a CZ AND 2 1911s (a 9mm and a 45) and call it done 

I like your way of thinking! :cool:

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What you should get really depends upon your budget and what type of shooting you like. I happen to own both a 1911 (Colt Gold Cup National Match) and a CZ-75 SP-1 Shadow.

1911s:

Just about everybody and his brother make and sell a 1911 pistol. Quality and shooting enjoyment usually vary in direct proportion to price, up to a certain price point.

There are cheap low end 1911, such as Norinco, which are quite crude, although usually solidly made and reliable. They cost about half the price of a CZ-75 Shadow. I have shot some, and they are quite inaccurate (at least compared to a Colt) mostly due to spongy feeling and heavy triggers. I am sure that they can be improved to some extent, through tuning and parts changes, but that brings the cost up considerably.

There are mid price 1911, which are well made, reliable, accurate and have crisp, if somewhat heavy triggers. In that category, I would include the Ruger SR1911, the Remington R1, and the base Smith & Wesson model. These cost about the same as a CZ-75 Shadow.

There are high end 1911, such as my Colt Gold Cup National Match. The latter has a dream trigger breaking like glass at about 2 1/4 pounds. It sports a mirror like gloss bluing and is extremely accurate and reliable. It also costs more than twice the price of a CZ-75 Shadow, if you were to buy it new.


CZ 75

The most common of these are the SP-01 Shadow and the 75b. They are polycoated guns, as opposed to blued. Polycoating is acheaper, albeit less durable finish.

They are double action pistols, as opposed to single action for the 1911. For range use, this makes little difference.

In single action, there is considerable trigger take up, but a solid and well defined wall. The trigger breaks cleanly, with very little required pressure. These models do not feature a decocker, although other CZ models do.

The IWI Jericho 941 (the all steel version) is a CZ 75 clone. It is cheaper than the CZ and I have heard good things about them, although I have no personal experience with that pistol.


Pros and cons of each:

The .45 ACP is more expensive to shoot and reload.
The 9 mm Luger has lighter recoil than 45 ACP
The CZ-75 Shadow is a bit heavier and has a more ergonomic grip. It soaks up recoil better than most 1911.
The 1911 looks better.
The 1911 is limited to 8 rd. magazine capacity in 45 ACP. The CZ 9 mm mags accept 10 rounds.
9 mm brass can be found in abundance for free in the recycling pails of most gun clubs. 45 ACP is less common.

How are the R1 Enhanced models? I've heard relatively good things about them.
The amount that I'd be shooting to start with I'm not overly concerned with cost of ammo, so 9mm vs 45 isn't bothering me much. If I do get heavy into shooting again I'll start reloading for sure.
 
How are the R1 Enhanced models? I've heard relatively good things about them.
The amount that I'd be shooting to start with I'm not overly concerned with cost of ammo, so 9mm vs 45 isn't bothering me much. If I do get heavy into shooting again I'll start reloading for sure.

A friend of minse has one and he very much likes it. BTW, there is one listed in the EE:

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1782592-Remington-R1-Enhanced-1911-PRICE-DROP?highlight=R1
 
I directly compared (in person) the 1911 I bought to the CZ SP-01. The CZ fits very nicely in-hand and is obviously a quality pistol, but the trigger doesn't compare to a good 1911 and I didn't need another DA/SA pistol.

I have a Kimber 1911 Stainless II in 9mm and I have to say that the Kimber is wonderful.

Get a 1911. Seriously. A good 1911 (you don't have to go crazy like a 3k Gold Cup Match) will have a better trigger than almost any other handgun. I deliberately bought my 1911 in 9mm because I can shoot it more, though I will get a 45 ACP at some point.
 
Don't bother with a 9mm 1911. Pure blasphemy. There are better 9mm's out there.

Disagree. I can shoot more in 9mm. My Kimber is wonderful to shoot and I never have any problems with it. Very few handguns have triggers as nice as a good 1911. What 9mm handgun out there that has a better trigger than a quality 1911? I love my Sigs but you can't compare the trigger of a DA/SA or DAO to the 1911 imo.
 
More blasphamy, try a SAM 1911 in .40 S&W. After my gunsmith worked on it, very accurate and comfortable with Houge (sp) grips. Ammunition price is mid-way between .45 and 9mm.
 
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