Issues with 7mm 162 eldx

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I have just started reloading in the past year for my 7mm RM and for my first bullet I settled on Hornady's ELD X 162gn. Now I know I'm still in the learning steps with the whole reloading thing but I am a very meticulous person. I have studied and read lots on the subject and feel that I have a good grasp on the subject. I have been using the OCW method for load work up. I know that my gun as well as myself can shoot sub MOA groups so thats not an issue. I have tried different brass, powders, primers and bullet seating depths but I can not get the elds to consistently group. The only thing that has been constant through the whole testing process has been the eld's. I am going to try some different bullets incase my rifle just doesn't like the eld's. Has anyone ever had this issue with eld x or other bullets.
I am thinking I will try some barnes LRX or TSX or maybe some Accubond long range.
 
Yes I have had issues with the eldx's.
Not my first choice for a do-all hunting bullet anyhow.
Try a barnes ttsx loaded near max 50-70 thou off the lands
 
Yes I have 2 rifles that are very particular on bullets and powder.
One of them, a 223, shoots 2-3 moa with 55gr nosler varmageddon bullets and pretty much any powder except for H4198
H4198 does 0.75moa or less. I have shot 2000+ reloads to find this out :)
 
I'm not going to profess to be some reloading master, but I spend a lot of times with guys I would speak about in that manner. It's my studied opinion that the higher end the bullet, the more likely it is to be picky about which guns it likes to work in. Ie, for every guy I know that swears by Berger VLD's I know another guy who's gun simply refuses to group them well. Same goes for Nosler RDF's.
 
I would try a match or target bullet like a matchking or lapua and see if you can get the rifle to perform. Then try to get a hunting bullet to group once you know the rifle is capable.
 
Thanks for the replies guys thats the thats what I was hopeing to hear.
No worries of the rifle or me performing. I buggered up when I first bought bullet and accidently bought the eld match instead of the X but loaded them anyway. I had them shooting just over .5 MOA but can't do anything with the X. Didn't think there would be that much different between the two.
 
Thanks for the replies guys thats the thats what I was hopeing to hear.
No worries of the rifle or me performing. I buggered up when I first bought bullet and accidently bought the eld match instead of the X but loaded them anyway. I had them shooting just over .5 MOA but can't do anything with the X. Didn't think there would be that much different between the two.

Why not just use the match then?
 
If all I was doing was punching paper or ringing steel, I would but I want a hunting bullet and I have been told that the match isn't good for game, especialy bigger game like elk and moose.
 
And how did you find they held up with hunting use, sask378? Care to cite any details? Genuinely interested.

I know a few very experienced older fellas who swore by SMK's at distance.

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Best I could do was 1" group with the 162 eldx in my M700 7mmRM and H4831sc,had to get them close to the lands to get them to do that.Good enough for a hunting round.
 
I had the eldx to a maximum length to fit my magazine. I played with the seating depth to try and tighten up the groups but I couldn't get anything tighter that just over an inch. That would probablybe good enough for close range hunting but I chose the eld to stretch things out a bit for some longer ranges. I just picked up some Nosler Accubond long range 175gn and some Sierra Gamechanger 165gn to try out. Hopefully I will have better luck with them.
 
I had the eldx to a maximum length to fit my magazine. I played with the seating depth to try and tighten up the groups but I couldn't get anything tighter that just over an inch. That would probablybe good enough for close range hunting but I chose the eld to stretch things out a bit for some longer ranges. I just picked up some Nosler Accubond long range 175gn and some Sierra Gamechanger 165gn to try out. Hopefully I will have better luck with them.

I've had similar experience with the ELD-X line of bullets. Every caliber I've tried them with hasn't made me feel confident to actually use them in the field except for one combination.

300 Norma Mag and the 212gr ELD-x. I'll I have to say is wow.

Anything 6.5mm or 7mm I load ELD-M.
 
I've loaded the 162 A-Max in the 7x57 with some pretty impressive results. Also the 208 gr ELD-M in the 300 Win Mag. However, they will not work in every rifle/caliber combination.

Being a long bullet (because of the high BC they tend to be longer that similar weight bullets in the same caliber) they need a fairly fast twist rate to stabilize. You did not mention the ROT for your rifle, or the make/model of it either. I use the Berger stability calculator, it seems to be pretty close in my experience. There are others, free, online, pick one.

The second is OAL, the proximity to the lands. In some instances you need to either seat very deeply, or longer than your magazine is designed for. The ELD bullets are of a secant ogive design. There are many articles on this design, but in a nutshell I follow a general rule of thumb, that secant ogive bullets like to be very close to the lands, or more than 0.1" off the lands.

If you seat them close to the lands, you will need to test to find the preferred distance.

If you stay at least 0.1" away, the exact "away" isn't that critical.

Remember this is just a rule of thumb, for cup/core bullets, with secant ogive. Tangent ogive bullets behave differently.

Consider the Weatherby cartridges, long(ish) freebore (leade), high velocity, Hornady bullets (secant ogive), and they were accurate. There is no way that those bullets were even close to the lands. What helps is a pressure, none of the Weatherby calibers were what I'd call low intensity.

And when seating, I don't want any pact of the bullets ogive seated into the neck.

If I don't get the results I expect, I try IMR 4350, if it still isn't good, I try a different bullet.

BTW: The 7mm RM can be somewhat cantankerous to load for, each rifle has it's own personality. Persevere, you'll get there. Personally, when my supply of H870 was gone, so were my 7mm RM rifles. My recipe was pretty simple, a case absolutely full, drop tube full, and any weight bullet, with a F215 primer, done.



I have just started reloading in the past year for my 7mm RM and for my first bullet I settled on Hornady's ELD X 162gn. Now I know I'm still in the learning steps with the whole reloading thing but I am a very meticulous person. I have studied and read lots on the subject and feel that I have a good grasp on the subject. I have been using the OCW method for load work up. I know that my gun as well as myself can shoot sub MOA groups so thats not an issue. I have tried different brass, powders, primers and bullet seating depths but I can not get the elds to consistently group. The only thing that has been constant through the whole testing process has been the eld's. I am going to try some different bullets incase my rifle just doesn't like the eld's. Has anyone ever had this issue with eld x or other bullets.
I am thinking I will try some barnes LRX or TSX or maybe some Accubond long range.

My 7x57 is a Ruger #1, RSI, which I measured @ 1:8.75 twist (*1). Velocity 2500 > 2600 (*2). Barrel is 20", load is 46 gr of 4451, OAL 3.125. I used Speer data.

(*1): Ruger began with a 1:9.5 twist, transitioned to a 1:8.75, and eventually used a 1:8 twist.
(*2): I chronographed this bullet with 46 gr of H4350 Extreme. I'm assuming the velocity with IMR 4451 is comparable.

My 300 is a BSA 1:10 twist, 22" long. It is nearly too slow, still stable at 0 deg C, but not by much. My velocity app 2600. OAL 3.42". A truck gun that still shoots 1 moa. 66 gr of Scotland H4831. A starting load, but near Max pressure signs. I'll not increase it. BSA uses rifling like the Model 1917 Enfield, and mine has a tight bore.

The 7x57 is a single shot, the OAL is not limited, I may be on the lands. Magazine on the BSA is 3.45", bullet is about 100 thou off the lands.

My "Old Road Dog".

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Great Post guys.

I myself am just getting into reloading for my 7mm. I've been using factory 162ELD-X so naturally thats the first case of bullets I picked up along with Nosler 140 Ballistic Tips. I'm hoping the ELD-X still work good in my rifle (Savage 116 Trophy Hunter 9.5 twist) only tighten up my groups even more.
 
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