justin_576
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help me identify this .22
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justin_576
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- Nanaimo BC
what are these guns worth ? my guess is not to much hahaha
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- West Quebec
Maybe not the owner
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- Nova Scotia
And front sight base is upside down..
Well have you looked at a registration cert? They never show the model. Only the TAN paperwork does. Not the cert.
To the OP
ON CGN EE 3 are between 280 and 350$ doesn't mean they're work much. Also they're complete with extra mags.
I say with no rear sight and such under 200$.
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I have one,got it for Christmas in the early-mid 80s. I recall having to bring it to the cop shop (that was interesting!) in the 90s to have the regional police FO tell me it was exempt (by name/model) from the barrel length restriction. As far as value.....Canadian Tire sold them for $167.99 but I recently saw one selling for $350, but it came with 5 mags.
Arms corporation of the Philippines = Armscor
Looks like you have a picture of an Armscor / Squires-Bingham / Mitchell M-16 (same gun with different branding). A.k.a Mitchell M-16/22.
You should check the criminal code to see if it is listed anywhere, just in case it has a class other than non-restricted and needs to be registered.
https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/sor-98-462/index.html
Looks like you have a picture of an Armscor / Squires-Bingham / Mitchell M-16 (same gun with different branding). A.k.a Mitchell M-16/22.
You should check the criminal code to see if it is listed anywhere, just in case it has a class other than non-restricted and needs to be registered.
https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/sor-98-462/index.html
That's what I was getting at. Seem to recall our silly laws said that was R
It was restricted and then was reclassified. This has been done before but in reverse with the Mossberg
https://calibremag.ca/mossberg-blaze-rifle-non-restricted-and-prohibited/
https://calibremag.ca/mossberg-blaze-rifle-non-restricted-and-prohibited/
Yeah mine was a jam-o-matic. I found it likes bulk Federal 525 ammo. The only guys that seem to want them are thus ones who want to relive their youthful days of plinking with these.
Nothing really spectacular about them but when I was younger this was the coolest 22 to have.
Nothing really spectacular about them but when I was younger this was the coolest 22 to have.
It actually looks like a Minecraft version of an M16 or as if someone tried to draw an M16 with an Etch-a-Sketch...
That aside, it really doesn't matter about what M16 parts fit on it or don't fit. If it is listed in the criminal code, then it is whatever the criminal code says it is.
Could someone please turn the front sight upright again please? It is really bothering me.
A rose by any other name... Squires Bingham 1600R, Ruko, Armscor. Usually carries an importers name, and not manufacturer
Which is waaaaaay better than gone entirely.
It's non-restricted, but that nothing to do with it's parts... Pretty sure the Armi Jager (sp) is on "the list". There was an AK version too, but it's prohib. Both share their heart/guts with the model 20 which was an economical choice for a semi .22. Magazines are trickier to find for these than a 20.You can slap a scope on this one while looking for the carrying handle**/rear sight...
**I wouldn't carry it by the pot-metal handle!!!
Which is waaaaaay better than gone entirely.
It's non-restricted, but that nothing to do with it's parts... Pretty sure the Armi Jager (sp) is on "the list". There was an AK version too, but it's prohib. Both share their heart/guts with the model 20 which was an economical choice for a semi .22. Magazines are trickier to find for these than a 20.You can slap a scope on this one while looking for the carrying handle**/rear sight...
**I wouldn't carry it by the pot-metal handle!!!
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I guess it comes down to whatever "variant" means.
Here is the part that has me intrigued:
Restricted Firearms:
"The firearm of the design commonly known as the M-16 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including any 22-calibre rimfire variant, including the (i) Mitchell M-16A-1/22, (ii) Mitchell M-16/22, (iii) Mitchell CAR-15/22, and (iv) AP74 Auto Rifle."
https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/...462/index.html
I just looked at a schematic for a mitchell on Numerich, and it doesn't seem to be of the SB/Ruko/Armscor family. Doesn't mean it's a variant of the M-16, but certainly doesn't mean SB should be classified as anything other than non-restricted... The mitchell actually looks a lot like the Armi Jager (still not an M-16 variant!), and may be the same thing.
As I mentioned there's also a rimfire rifle on the prohib list with same guts as the OP's rifle simply for looking like an AK...
ht tps://www.gunpartscorp.com/gun-manufacturer/mitchell/m16-mitchell
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Apparently there are a few different versions in the family of Mitchell M16'ish rifles, for instance, here are some great images of a Mitchell M16A3CAR (and its markings) that is strikingly similar to the OP's:
http://www.icollector.com/Mitchell-Arms-Model-16A3CAR-Semi-Automatic-Rifle_i21582386
Here are some great images of a Mitchell M16A3/22:
http://www.icollector.com/Mitchell-Arms-Model-16A3-22-Cal-Semi-Auto-Rifle_i26868341
I agree that none of the rifles we are discussing might seem like an obvious variant of an M-16 because of the blatant differences in design and parts interchangeability etc. However, if the CCC specifically says that any model and its variants are to be included as variants of the M-16 - my concern was that the SB would potentially be considered a variant under Canadian law.
So, if:
- Arms Corporation of the Philippines = Armscor = ACP; and
- ACP makes the same gun under Mitchell/Squires Bingham name brands.
The big questions that remain (to me) are:
1. Since Mitchell M16A1/22's are listed as variants, are the Mitchell M16A3/22's also considered variants or not? If so, then the Squires Bingham (and all other brand) labelled versions would be in danger of also being legally considered a variant.
2. Since it looks like the Mitchell M-16A-1/22, Mitchell M-16/22, Mitchell CAR-15/22, and (iv) AP74 Auto Rifle were all made by Jager - are only Jager made M16/22's intended to be variants by law? If so, then the ACP made Squires Bingham (and all other brand) labelled versions would be safe.
http://www.icollector.com/Mitchell-Arms-Model-16A3CAR-Semi-Automatic-Rifle_i21582386
Here are some great images of a Mitchell M16A3/22:
http://www.icollector.com/Mitchell-Arms-Model-16A3-22-Cal-Semi-Auto-Rifle_i26868341
I agree that none of the rifles we are discussing might seem like an obvious variant of an M-16 because of the blatant differences in design and parts interchangeability etc. However, if the CCC specifically says that any model and its variants are to be included as variants of the M-16 - my concern was that the SB would potentially be considered a variant under Canadian law.
So, if:
- Arms Corporation of the Philippines = Armscor = ACP; and
- ACP makes the same gun under Mitchell/Squires Bingham name brands.
The big questions that remain (to me) are:
1. Since Mitchell M16A1/22's are listed as variants, are the Mitchell M16A3/22's also considered variants or not? If so, then the Squires Bingham (and all other brand) labelled versions would be in danger of also being legally considered a variant.
2. Since it looks like the Mitchell M-16A-1/22, Mitchell M-16/22, Mitchell CAR-15/22, and (iv) AP74 Auto Rifle were all made by Jager - are only Jager made M16/22's intended to be variants by law? If so, then the ACP made Squires Bingham (and all other brand) labelled versions would be safe.
"If"...If my grandmother wasn't dead, she would be alive.
-Mitchell stamped rifles cited/listed in law are not the same gun as the SB/Ruko/armscor/Mitchell a3 posted by OP. Apples and Oranges. One made in...Italy(?), the other the Philippines
-The SB/Ruko/Armscor '16 are non-restricted. The AK dressed one is prohib, and they are the same gun.
Don't try applying logic to the classifications as logic wasn't used making them, and certainly don't go trying to make "the list" longer.
Edit/add on...I'd never heard of a Mitchell a3 until I followed that link. Are there even any in Canada? It does seem to be of the SB family
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