Tavor 7 - 7.62x51 FRT Has Dropped. Non-Restricted w/20" Barrel!

JNA said:
I owned the tav-21 and the X95. Liked the ergonomics on the X95 better, but took the X95 to the range with 1-4x Elcan and Aguila 62 grain ammunition and off a stable front rest at 50 metres the grouping looked like a shotgun pattern. This is with the geiselle trigger bow and trigger pack. I was not at all impressed and decided to sell the rifle (disclosed the accuracy to the new owner prior to sale), but they wanted the gun for cqb. I don't think it was the optic or the ammunition and the shooter can shoot sub .5 moa with precision (not to brag).

Now hopefully mine was a one off as I remember the tav-21 having decent accuracy.

Hope everyone enjoys the Tav-7 though.
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I found that Tavors like 5.56N 55gr. ammo for the most part. Between round's MOA of 1.5 and the Tavor's 1-2 MOA variance you're looking at 2-3 MOA when you're on. There are also quite a few additional factors. Marksmanship can be right on, but the manual at arms can be an issue.

It would require more than a few paragraphs in a forum to really appreciate what is going on.

And yeah, I'm interested in seeing what the Tav-7 is all about.

-S.
 
I'm in........$$$$$

I have had 100% success with my Tar 21, A bit of a money pit to make it better suited for me.... but no regrets.
Love guns and the love the sport..

I have a Elcan Specter DR 1-4x FDE, 7.62
6x Pmags
1000x rds of ammo..

Send me the rifle...
 
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I'm surprised no enterprising wholesaler has already landed a boatload of these somewhere here in Canada. I'm waiting with my credit card in hand, as I'm sure many others are....
 
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sonichanxiao said:
I am not sure that, because everywhere is not suggesting firing 308 in a 7.62 NATO gun. But you can fire 7.62 NATO in 308 gun cause less pressure.
https://www.ammoland.com/2017/06/7-...ster-ammo-whats-the-difference/#axzz5b4XpsggI
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As driller212 said, 308 Win and 7.62X51 are interchangeable. Even 5.56X45 and 223 Rem are interchangeable, it's the rifle chamber that is different, a small number of 223 Rem chambered rifles will get high pressures shooting 5.56, vast majority no problem. Just like 5.56/223 any problem you might run into using 308 in a Battle Rifle is related to the rifle itself. An example being the M-305/M-14/M1A where the gas system is designed to operate within a fairly small window related to burn rate and max pressure, and therefore no max charges, and powder burn rate above/below ideal range.
 
redshooter said:
As driller212 said, 308 Win and 7.62X51 are interchangeable. Even 5.56X45 and 223 Rem are interchangeable, it's the rifle chamber that is different, a small number of 223 Rem chambered rifles will get high pressures shooting 5.56, vast majority no problem. Just like 5.56/223 any problem you might run into using 308 in a Battle Rifle is related to the rifle itself. An example being the M-305/M-14/M1A where the gas system is designed to operate within a fairly small window related to burn rate and max pressure, and therefore no max charges, and powder burn rate above/below ideal range.
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You are right.

I am just not sure if Tavor 7 is 7.62 NATO, would it be safe to consistently firing 308 ammo?
 
blupul said:
With the price of the bigger pill if it’s not 1 moa I’m Not interested . .223 is for plinking .308 is for longer range and accuracy. Also ergonomics for anything but off hand shooting suck with tavors .
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Looks like it will be a very nice rifle just like the Tavor and x95 but anyone who thinks these are going to shoot 1 moa is going to be really disappointed.
Either that or I'm going to be really shocked but I think 1 moa is a very unrealistic dream.

Just like the 21 and the X95, these are not designed to be marksman rifles, they are battle rifle based and made for the civilian market. Just like the Tavor and X95 they will not have an expensive barrel, they will have a cheap to produce rack grade barrel.
If you like the idea of a 308 bullpup then this sounds like the best option on the table right now even if the MDR was available. It sounds like the MDR is still suffering from teething pains so at least this one should be reliable.

Enjoy it for what it is and understand what it was designed to do. Just because it costs $3000+ does not mean that it is a precision firearm built for long range target shooting. If you get 2 moa from it I'd say you are doing well and you should be very happy. If you have unrealistic expectation you will be disappointed and regret your decision to buy it.
A price tag over $3000 does not magically mean it will shoot 1 moa or better. Just look at all the other $3000 rifles on the market for your proof. The Tavor and X95 are perfect examples of $3000 not giving you a rifle capable of printing small groups. It doesn't mean that they are no good, it just means that they were designed to do something else and if you buy the wrong tool for your intended purpose then that's on you.
You don't buy a Corvette to go rally racing. Just because it's expensive doesn't mean it will be the fastest car down a dirt road.


Leadbeard said:
Will XCR mags work with this ?
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Why wouldn't they? The XCR-M uses the same SR-25 pattern magazine so if it doesn't work there is a problem with the rifle or the magazine.
If you're referring to the recent flurry of rifles we've seen come to market that are magazine sensitive then there is no way for anyone to know until they are actually in customers hands.
 
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So is this thing going to happen soon (with decent accuracy) or should I start looking elsewhere?

Anyone with news on this?
 
Well am not sure how it relate to us. But that was on the IWI USA facebook 2 weeks ago.

Am waiting for it. At least its already non-restricted.

Update 2.28.19

We took 3 rifles out for endurance testing.

Accuracy was checked at the start. 3 groups per rifle average around where we wanted it shooting off a lead sled , 168gr Gold Medal Match, Nightforce, Vortex, and Leupold scopes where used.

The goal was 20K through each gun under a controlled specification. At the end of a firing iteration the rifle was cooled and the firing sequence would begin again.

The Good:
Accuracy was were we wanted it. Much more consistent from where we started.

The rifles ran with no issues. I witness this first hand and my shoulder can speak to it. Over 3 days in cold and wet conditions I had ZERO failures.

The Not so good
A part was wearing abnormally which at that point we stopped to address the issue. Can’t speak to it but at this point we stopped testing. This is protocol per how testing is defined. The team from Isreal was here for the testing and will make corrections. Then we will go at it again.

Closing:
Here in the states I’d say I’ve got more rounds through a T7 than anyone. It’s a battle through and through. They just keep chewing up and spiting out 308. The accuracy has improved from the start. I have full faith that the engineering teams will get us right the best we can. To everyone that’s going to ask…… How does this impact my timeline? Uncertain. What is certain is we are committed to providing the best possible product we can.
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Bullpup does not solely mean CQB but compact and weight balanced closer to the holder. This works to the great benefit of vehicle deployment (not useful in our case) as well as maneuverability in the woods ans THAT is excellent for us hunters as this is a NR rifle in 308.

Ooh and I respect your point for efficiency in CQB if this is your thing. I would then simply advise on investing in some extremely good hear protections: a semi-auto indoor in small rooms with the blast of the muzzle brake reverberating on the walls... Personally I pass.
 
Bull pup vehicle deployment as said. Aplies to people like me on farm ranch where it would be used almost daily on quads trucks and tractors but if it shoots 4 Moa. Definitely pass.
 
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