Tokarev's the Russian design gone wild through the world <3

Horilka said:
Ok, let's get some facts straight.
- you don't have Romanian TT-C, it's Soviet handgun with modern Russian export markings
- Super 12 are commecial reworks of Tokagypt but it's not the same. Latter is proper military contract.
- TT30 production started in 1931
- While Tokarev was a great firearm designer and came up with several distinctive and successful designs, his pistol design failed at trials and he was tasked to come up with better offer and quick. So he took German 7.63x25 round, Browning FN 1903 as base design, barrel lock from another Browning - m1911, came up with his own hammer assembly unit and refined all of this so primitive Soviet metallurgy and industry would be able to manufacture it, and manufacture cheap. This is how TT30 was born.

From 1930x point of view it was successful design, not without some minor flaws, it got the job done.
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Dear Horilka. Looks like you know the tokagypt topic. It is the same thing according to this http://www.hungariae.com/Toka58.htm
I had a tokagypt and the west Germany variant. If you say it’s not the same as Super 12, I would love to know more. From what I know, the markings are the only difference ( and a cool story ) plus marketing efforts.
 
vpashkov said:
Dear Horilka. Looks like you know the tokagypt topic. It is the same thing according to this http://www.hungariae.com/Toka58.htm
I had a tokagypt and the west Germany variant. If you say it’s not the same as Super 12, I would love to know more. From what I know, the markings are the only difference ( and a cool story ) plus marketing efforts.
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I'm not an expert in Cold War stuff. My knowledge is very basic. I know mechanically they are the same. However from collector point of view they belong to two different categories, first being proper military contract and second being just commercial product without military history and sometime with bogus markings.
 
lone ranger said:
They are very under estimated. With hard ball ammo, they are very lethal. I found it had better penetration than my 357 shooting through a heavy wooden block. They are slim, built like a tank & easy to disassemble. I have owned several different versions. I found the Later Polish Tok is very accurate "good point of aim". The russian ones seem to shoot High & right. Amazingly enough an Ebay site from Russia will send Tok parts to Canada. "no frames". They also have gas masks, radiation detectors ect.
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Do you have a name of the eBay site? I could use a few parts! Cheers.
Also does anyone know if the firing pin retaining pins will fit the sportowy .22 version? I think it does, so far they seem fairly expensive $25. Plus shipping from Europe!
 
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I love my TT-33 for new shooters. I did a trigger job so the pull is ~4lbs and load M1 carbine 110gr bullets under 5gr Bullseye to make for a very pleasurable small hand friendly soft shooting 1911.

I also load up the same bullets under 10 gr 2400 for some fun and light show!!
 
bobdbldr said:
Do you have a name of the eBay site? I could use a few parts! Cheers.
Also does anyone know if the firing pin retaining pins will fit the sportowy .22 version? I think it does, so far they seem fairly expensive $25. Plus shipping from Europe!
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I just tried to find him.....he is no longer on Ebay. To bad, he had really cool stuff.
 
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